Blew 3rd Gear Tonight

[Demetry]

I'm not one to beat on my transmission, I almost always granny shift and never launch. Tonight during a 3rd gear pull it went. I'm running 270AWHP 300TQ, with 78,000+ miles on it. Will hopefully be upgrading to a little more power this spring too.

If you have any experience please let me know. I need 350WHP/ 350 FTLBS reliability. STI 6 speed is not an option as I don't have that much extra money to throw at it (assuming 5k+ in parts + labor) , unless someone wants to donate. :lol:


UPDATE 4/2/10:

After much review and debate I have decided to have AndrewTech in MD to build my transmission with PPG gears in April. Straight cut 1-4, stock 5th.


MY REVIEW AFTER 125 MILES 5/6/10:

First off, I would recommend AndrewTech to anyone looking for a sold tranny build. Yes, my transmission took longer than originally anticitpated, but it was well worth it in the long run. It needs to be built correctly in order to work/run and I've never heard anything bad about their work. Quick 1 day shipping point from most of New England too.

My set up:

'07 WRX
PPG Straight Cut 1-4, stock 5th
ACT HDSS clutch kit
ACT Streetlite FlyWheel (14lbs)

Prior set up:

Stock 5 speed
Stock Clutch
Stock Flywheel


First things first. The flywheel was noticabley different, but nothing that hard to get used to rather quickly. The clutch is prefect, slightly grabbier than OEM, but not overerly either. The engagement is the best part of this transmission. It feels so solid going in to gear, no loose side to side play, very direct and smooth. It is not a hard transmission to drive. The "PPG Whine" of the SC gears is IMO way over exagerated. I have had 4 people in my car and only 1 out of the 4 did not like the noise. To me the noise is loudest in first gear, second is probably almost half as loud and from there on up you can hear it, but nothing like the first 2 gears. A conversation can be had with no issues what so ever. Want to listen to music? Just turn it up and the gear noise disappears. The gears also gives a fun and exciting driving expierence and makes you feel like your driving something a little special and not "off the shelf," not to mention the looks you get when you cruise by people. The best thing though is to no longer have to fear int he back of your mind when driving that the stock 5 speed is going to explode at any time.

This is a very streetable daily driver set up, no questions asked. Everyone has their personal opinion, but I feel very confient the vast majority of you reading this would appreciate this set up in their car. The downside is price, yes there are other options out there but for the piece of mind alone it was worth it to me to go all out and not settle on a less expensive gear set. I have yet to beat on it as I have a brand new clutch/FW in and need to give it a few hundred miles to break in, but I can tell its going to be a lot of fun...give me another week or so and I'll report back.

Please, if you have any questions feel free to post and I'll be happy to answer. I'm sure Ill see mot of you in the next few weeks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GXmU_DndTo

Clip of what it sounded like if anyone is interested...

Pictures taken 3/27/10 of transmission opened up.


http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny4.jpg
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http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny1.jpg
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[98Wagoon]

ppg gears? if I recall you can get just the ones you need, and not have to replace all 5.

[squeethebee]

LGT tranny?

Sucks man, hopefully it'll get worked out.

ed

[apkarian100]

RA gearset, but talk to Ray about it. He mentioned something to me about it's not just the gears you have to get for it to a really strong gearbox after it's all said and dine.

[Murphy2012]

Bummer man, sorry to hear it. I am pushing just slightly better number at 86k, autox the car and still haven't had a problem. RA gears are nice but the ratio changes a lot and the car WILL NOT be optimal for highway driving. It is unfortunate, but a 6 speed is your best route. PPG's are nice, but just as expensive as a 6 speed to build them the right way and you have to deal with the straight cut whine. Good luck figuring it out man!

[squeethebee]

I think you can get PPG's in a helical cut as well.

ed

[civic si hb]

I'm not one to beat on my transmission, I almost always granny shift and never launch. Tonight during a 3rd gear pull it went. I'm running 270AWHP 300TQ, with 78,000+ miles on it. Will hopefully be upgrading to a little more power this spring too.

If you have any experience please let me know. I need 350WHP/ 350 FTLBS reliability. STI 6 speed is not an option as I don't have that much extra money to throw at it, unless someone wants to donate. :lol:

Discuss.


Damn Chad...

This scares the crap out of me :eek:

Being we have pretty much the same car and this is my worst fear by far.

I'll be very curious to see what you come up with. I know I wouldn't have the 5K plus to spend either on a STI tranny having 2 kids and a house payment either man. Keep in touch as always and feel free to call or text me whenever you like man :)

[civic si hb]

Bummer man, sorry to hear it. I am pushing just slightly better number at 86k, autox the car and still haven't had a problem. RA gears are nice but the ratio changes a lot and the car WILL NOT be optimal for highway driving. It is unfortunate, but a 6 speed is your best route. PPG's are nice, but just as expensive as a 6 speed to build them the right way and you have to deal with the straight cut whine. Good luck figuring it out man!


How many miles on your car and how many miles since the VF39 swap for you?

[Hero]

you have my sympathy :(

[jwebsta32]

Ppg's come in both straight and hellical and also don't weigh as much as six speed

[civic si hb]

Ppg's come in both straight and hellical and also don't weigh as much as six speed


jwebsta32 I've talked to you before and after talking to you and the power you were putting down was the final factor for me to do my VF39 swap. I was scared for my tranny but like Chad Ido not bang gears or launch the car ever... Yeah the 06-07's tranny's are not as strong as the STI's but everyone says the LGT tranny's are alot better than the 02-05. I hope Chad just had bad luck on this one. What if he changed out just 1st, 2nd and 3rd??? Thinking 4th and 5th have the least amount of stress on them and wanting to be cost efficient.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

LGT gears. Same ratios as WRX, larger teeth like RA gears. They are the STI 5 speed width. Same cost as WRX gears. Low budget build when you put those in.

I've shattered many an RA gearbox.

good luck

[civic si hb]

LGT gears. Same ratios as WRX, larger teeth like RA gears. They are the STI 5 speed width. Same cost as WRX gears. Low budget build when you put those in.

I've shattered many an RA gearbox.

good luck


Hey Bren, doesn't the 06-07 wrx already have the LGT tranny??? That's what I have been told are these people wrong??

[Demetry]

ppg gears? if I recall you can get just the ones you need, and not have to replace all 5.

I'm going to look around and see what I can find. Again, I do not have a huge budget for this. I would love PPg's though :) I am replacing all gears 1-5 unless somehow I go with PPG"s then prob 1-4, probably wishful thinking though.


LGT tranny?

Sucks man, hopefully it'll get worked out.

ed

yeah it does suck, but it happens. I'm so easy on my car too....


RA gearset, but talk to Ray about it. He mentioned something to me about it's not just the gears you have to get for it to a really strong gearbox after it's all said and dine.

yeah, I was with Ray when it happened. we did a little research last night. I hear mixed reviews on them so not really sure what to think.


Bummer man, sorry to hear it. I am pushing just slightly better number at 86k, autox the car and still haven't had a problem. RA gears are nice but the ratio changes a lot and the car WILL NOT be optimal for highway driving. It is unfortunate, but a 6 speed is your best route. PPG's are nice, but just as expensive as a 6 speed to build them the right way and you have to deal with the straight cut whine. Good luck figuring it out man!

You have better luck I guess. I definitely do not beat on my car for this reason alone.


Damn Chad...

This scares the crap out of me :eek:

Being we have pretty much the same car and this is my worst fear by far.

I'll be very curious to see what you come up with. I know I wouldn't have the 5K plus to spend either on a STI tranny having 2 kids and a house payment either man. Keep in touch as always and feel free to call or text me whenever you like man :)

Most likely you will be fine...but I am now proof of what COULD happen at anytime. It wasn't even at full throttle. I was check boost levels after re-routing some vacuum line @ 3/4 throttle, 18-20lbs of boost of so. The car just jerked and it sounded like something was dragging on the ground, like my bumper or something. I actually was suprised and expected more of a bang. :lol:


you have my sympathy :(

Thanks!

LGT gears. Same ratios as WRX, larger teeth like RA gears. They are the STI 5 speed width. Same cost as WRX gears. Low budget build when you put those in.

I've shattered many an RA gearbox.

good luck


LGT gears...are they that much stronger? I thgouht the 06-07 had a LGT transmission? What RA set up did you go with, I believe there are a couple options? Do you install?

[civic si hb]

LGT gears...are they that much stronger? I thgouht the 06-07 had a LGT transmission? What RA set up did you go with, I believe there are a couple options? Do you install?


Yeah that is what I was aking because i've been told by many people that the 06-07 wrx has the LGT tranny. So I'd like to get some more imput on this myself. It's just not fair that people like us baby our cars and **** blows up when people track there cars and run theirs alot harder and have 100K plus and have no issues's even with all the track time.

[Snowman87]

jwebsta32 I've talked to you before and after talking to you and the power you were putting down was the final factor for me to do my VF39 swap. I was scared for my tranny but like Chad Ido not bang gears or launch the car ever... Yeah the 06-07's tranny's are not as strong as the STI's but everyone says the LGT tranny's are alot better than the 02-05. I hope Chad just had bad luck on this one. What if he changed out just 1st, 2nd and 3rd??? Thinking 4th and 5th have the least amount of stress on them and wanting to be cost efficient.


Usually when you swap in stronger gears into a 5-speed you go with 1st-4th, 5th is a very long gear and won't see enough stress to do it any damage (that and I highly doubt you would find enough road to really beat on 5th)


As for the 06-07 trans being the same as the LGT I can check when I get home from work and actually have access to AllData. But I don't believe they are the same.

[civic si hb]

Usually when you swap in stronger gears into a 5-speed you go with 1st-4th, 5th is a very long gear and won't see enough stress to do it any damage (that and I highly doubt you would find enough road to really beat on 5th)


As for the 06-07 trans being the same as the LGT I can check when I get home from work and actually have access to AllData. But I don't believe they are the same.


Yeah I'd like to know....

I've heard it quite a few times and even in this thread saying the LGT tranny so it would be good to know.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Hey Bren, doesn't the 06-07 wrx already have the LGT tranny??? That's what I have been told are these people wrong??

I've never seen data to support that. But I'm open to discussion

The LGT 5speed always had a torque brace on it that none of the other 5 speeds had. I've also never seen LGT big turbo guys shatter transmissions.

[gling]

The LGT 5speed always had a torque brace on it that none of the other 5 speeds had. I've also never seen LGT big turbo guys shatter transmissions.

Interesting, got any photos of said brace?

By the way, are you the Bren that got an Acura or something and then is into BMWs now? If you are, I don't know if you remember me but I bought a HKS BOV from you way back when you might have had a white bugeye or something like that.

Edit: :lol: I just read your vehicle list and I think you are the same Bren. Grin.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Interesting, got any photos of said brace?

By the way, are you the Bren that got an Acura or something and then is into BMWs now? If you are, I don't know if you remember me but I bought a HKS BOV from you way back when you might have had a white bugeye or something like that.

Edit: :lol: I just read your vehicle list and I think you are the same Bren. Grin.

Oh you met me when I was in my winter ride :rofl: Yes that's me. Hope all is well with you!

[Snowman87]

Yeah I'd like to know....

I've heard it quite a few times and even in this thread saying the LGT tranny so it would be good to know.

Ok I just double checked AllData, they are not the same trans at all.


The final drive of the WRX is 3.70(Yes I said 3.70, the 06-07 2.5i's were 3.90), and the LGT is 4.11. With the lower gearing of the LGT transmission it takes less force to spin the wheels therefore the wheels and hubs take most of the abuse as there is more resistance between them and the road as opposed to between the motor and the driveline.

I would go for an LGT trans if I were you. However if you were to do the trans you will need a new rear differential in addition.

[Demetry]

Too much to think about!!! :unamused:

Updated OP with clip of what it sounded like after it happened.

[Seraphinwolf]

And this is why I bought mt six speed. Also why I've talked to you so much about it Chad. Hopefully you can figure something out.

[jwebsta32]

can you blow a gear in a six speed not installed in a car?

[Snowman87]

:lol:

[squeethebee]

Snowman, I've heard the same thing about having a 4.11fd trans, that's why I have hopes my RS tranny will last with over 300whp, at least for a little while.

Demetry, deep breaths man, it's a lot to think about, but good to know you have so many options, huh?

jwebsta, :lol:

ed

[Gearhead Geek]

I wonder if this would fit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-05-06-Kia-Spectra-Manual-Transmission-2-0L-52k-OEM_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5ad66e30e9QQitemZ39 0144602345QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcce ssories
Lol, I kid I kid.
Like I said earlier today, that really sucks man. I know the way it feels having had the 5MT in my Civic go boom (although it was still driveable, just without 3rd or 4th), and then having had the diff in the 6MT also go boom (not so driveable after that one). But while it sucks, and it definately hurts the bank account a bit, it's still just a car, and cars can be fixed (Better, faster, stronger... lol sorry had to).
Lemme know if you need a hand with anything, be it a ride (assuming I'm not working), or ripping out the trans, or whatever.

Also, I'm just curious, how often did you change your trans fluid, and what kind did you run?

[mdungelman]

Bummer dude. Looks like we've got some some good options here.

[batorr]

I wonder if this would fit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-05-06-Kia-Spectra-Manual-Transmission-2-0L-52k-OEM_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5ad66e30e9QQitemZ39 0144602345QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcce ssories
Lol, I kid I kid.
Like I said earlier today, that really sucks man. I know the way it feels having had the 5MT in my Civic go boom (although it was still driveable, just without 3rd or 4th), and then having had the diff in the 6MT also go boom (not so driveable after that one). But while it sucks, and it definately hurts the bank account a bit, it's still just a car, and cars can be fixed (Better, faster, stronger... lol sorry had to).
Lemme know if you need a hand with anything, be it a ride (assuming I'm not working), or ripping out the trans, or whatever.
Also, I'm just curious, how often did you change your trans fluid, and what kind did you run?

WTF?! Is that the whole tranny?

[BLACK-OUT]

damn dude.. this sucks

[Evoeater]

Any updates Chad? OO and your car looks lonely in my driveway..:(

[Demetry]

didn't have any time to look in to it today. Spent all the free time finding a rental. Think I'm gonna buy a pick-up thi weekend to use as a second car and work on getting this back on the road by end of March.

Anyone have a trailer to re-locate my car from Ray's house to my house? We are about 8 miles away from each other. In the concord/Hooksett area.

[Demetry]

So my options so far

1) OEM replacement
2) Rallispec RA gear set
3) LGT
4) PPG's (probably too much $)
5) STI 6 speed swap (probably too much $)

Does anyone have experience swapping any of the above in to a WRX? ALso, any additional I'm forgetting about? I appreciate the input thus far

[squeethebee]

I'd say option 3 looks pretty good, I have heard about them lasting through some amazing power. Should just bolt right up with the correct rear diff.

ed

[Snowman87]

I'd say option 3 looks pretty good, I have heard about them lasting through some amazing power. Should just bolt right up with the correct rear diff.

ed

This.


Should make for a fun car with lower gearing. :devil:

[Berge56]

I didn't realize the LGT had 4.11's as the final drive! Since you are a on a budget I would def look into option 3 as well! Good luck meng!

[Demetry]

Has anyone actually swapped these in to a WRX on this forum? Any additional info on cost, and durability at what power levels? I'm at work now so cannot search until later tonight. Let me know if any of you has any additional info on the LGT tranny.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

You could simply replace 3rd to 4th and the shaft,stake nuts/shims in the stock trans with LGT gears and keep on trucking if you were on a budget.

[Demetry]

I wonder if this would fit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-05-06-Kia-Spectra-Manual-Transmission-2-0L-52k-OEM_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5ad66e30e9QQitemZ39 0144602345QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcce ssories
Lol, I kid I kid.
Like I said earlier today, that really sucks man. I know the way it feels having had the 5MT in my Civic go boom (although it was still driveable, just without 3rd or 4th), and then having had the diff in the 6MT also go boom (not so driveable after that one). But while it sucks, and it definately hurts the bank account a bit, it's still just a car, and cars can be fixed (Better, faster, stronger... lol sorry had to).
Lemme know if you need a hand with anything, be it a ride (assuming I'm not working), or ripping out the trans, or whatever.

Also, I'm just curious, how often did you change your trans fluid, and what kind did you run?

Literally changed it about 1500 miles ago. Every 30K or so. Put in Subaru extra-S...

[Demetry]

You could simply replace 3rd to 4th and the shaft,stake nuts/shims in the stock trans with LGT gears and keep on trucking if you were on a budget.


would like to upgrade a little if possible just for the extra assurance. Its not that I have no money for it, I just want to do the most cost effective solution, but also have an upgrade in there. You think this LGT option will be no problem given smart driving running TD06-18G, FMIC, 750's, TGV deletes, 38mm EWG, walbro FP. That will hopefully be my set-up this spring. Probably end up around 300-320WHP/350TQ on a realistic dyno.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

yes LGT will be perfect for that

contact edro* i believe he has an LGT trans for sale with warranty.

[Demetry]

yes LGT will be perfect for that

contact edro* i believe he has an LGT trans for sale with warranty.


Thanks for the info. Looking in to it. Do you road tune or dyno tune?

[jwebsta32]

Anyone know anything about mfactory gears????

http://www.teammfactory.com/products.php?category=PRO%20Synchro%20Gear%20Sets

found this on nasioc

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1515045

doesn't sound too bad for the 07 wrx

[Snowman87]

I totally forgot about M-factory. I haven't heard all that much about them but what I have heard is all good.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Thanks for the info. Looking in to it. Do you road tune or dyno tune?

Both.

Road tuning has dyno software as well :)

[Berge56]

<--- reading up on the m-factory gears now! :)

[Demetry]

Yeah...at work until 5pm TODAY BUT DEFINITELY GOING TO DO SOME RESEARCH TONIGHT AT HOME. THANKS FOR ALL THE SUGGESTIONS SO FAR. KEEP THEM COMING GUYS!!!

[Gearhead Geek]

Wow those MFactory's seem wicked nice, and cheap too. The 1-4 with OEM 5th seems like it'd make for a damn nice DD setup.
*EDIT* Looks like they also have a PRO series that is a straight cut 1-2 w/helical 3,4, and optional 5. Ratios are slightly different:

Close Ratio Gearset:
1st - 3.27
2nd - 2.286
3rd - 1.667
4th - 1.238
5th - 0.958

Pro Ratio Gearset:
1st - 3.454
2nd - 1.940
3rd - 1.350
4th - 0.958
5th - 0.769

[BG @ BrenTuning]

people break those too.

[jwebsta32]

but those are stronger than LGT I would say

[civic si hb]

but those are stronger than LGT I would say


That would be my question too.

Chad and I are kinda looking for the same thing asfar as power goes. He's doesn't track or race his car just uses it on the street as DD. I'm sure he wants to spend the money just one time.

[Gearhead Geek]

people break those too.

Noticed that towards the end of the thread. One guy broke 3 sets, that's kinda disappointing.

[jwebsta32]

What kind of abuse and power was the guy that broke three sets throwing at them

[Gearhead Geek]

What kind of abuse and power was the guy that broke three sets throwing at them

He said he beat the piss out of it daily, however there were a few others who broke them as well who didn't (or at least didn't mention it)

[civic si hb]

This is confusing and kinda aggravating and it's not even my car but could be at any given time.

[jwebsta32]

Like stated earlier the final drive on the wrx is part of the problem. But if you change rear diff you gotta change front too i believe or you will mess up your center diff???

[Gearhead Geek]

This is confusing and kinda aggravating and it's not even my car but could be at any given time.

I blame Subaru for not having better metallurgists. Lol.

[gling]

Oh you met me when I was in my winter ride :rofl: Yes that's me. Hope all is well with you!

All is well with me thank you. Just moved out here to Ohio and am settling in. Quite different the midwest is.

So my options so far

1) OEM replacement
2) Rallispec RA gear set
3) LGT
4) PPG's (probably too much $)
5) STI 6 speed swap (probably too much $)

Does anyone have experience swapping any of the above in to a WRX? ALso, any additional I'm forgetting about? I appreciate the input thus far

I'd say option 3 looks pretty good, I have heard about them lasting through some amazing power. Should just bolt right up with the correct rear diff.

ed

Has anyone actually swapped these in to a WRX on this forum? Any additional info on cost, and durability at what power levels? I'm at work now so cannot search until later tonight. Let me know if any of you has any additional info on the LGT tranny.

Anyone know anything about mfactory gears????

http://www.teammfactory.com/products.php?category=PRO%20Synchro%20Gear%20Sets

found this on nasioc

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1515045

doesn't sound too bad for the 07 wrx

The LGT tranny is a good option short of the M Factory gears.

people break those too.

Indeed. I know of someone personally that broke a set and he wasn't all that crazy on it.




Long story short, the six-speed box is the best peace of mind. I'd skip the five-speed PPG boxes unless you have a specific reason for having five gears instead of six (and weight reasons too). FIve-speed PPG boxes aren't indestructible either and is susceptible to all the other issues of a five-speed box. Not to say that you can't break a six-speed box though.

[gling]

Like stated earlier the final drive on the wrx is part of the problem. But if you change rear diff you gotta change front too i believe or you will mess up your center diff???

If you use everything in your old WRX setup but just press in new gears, you don't have to worry about final drives. If you throw a complete LGT box in place of your WRX box, then you need to change the rear diff.

[civic si hb]

I know the STI 6speed is pricey but it just seems to be the best choice (says the guy that has no money right now,lol)

[Berge56]

I won't disagree that Subaru should have put a stronger tranny in from the start.... but I think a big part has to do with the driver! I mean I know plenty of people out there that run their suby's modded without any tranny problems. (me being one of them) Now I am not saying that the 5 speed is great, I just think when driven correctly it can hold up to abuse. (no clutch dumping, no gear slamming, proper fluid changes and so on) I know from experience that my tranny is holding just fine at 275whp and 258 tq. I know that sounds a bit low, but I have been stage 2 since 25k and the car now has 96k and runs like a champ! Oh and I am on the original clutch. :)

Edit: Just saw Gling's post. Well said Gerald.

[civic si hb]

I won't disagree that Subaru should have put a stronger tranny in from the start.... but I think a big part has to do with the driver! I mean I know plenty of people out there that run their suby's modded without any tranny problems. (me being one of them) Now I am not saying that the 5 speed is great, I just think when driven correctly it can hold up to abuse. (no clutch dumping, no gear slamming, proper fluid changes and so on) I know from experience that my tranny is holding just fine at 275whp and 258 tq. I know that sounds a bit low, but I have been stage 2 since 25k and the car now has 96k and runs like a champ! Oh and I am on the original clutch. :)

Edit: Just saw Gling's post. Well said Gerald.


I think some times it's just hit or miss with these kind of things, I know Chad has 78K on his car and bought it pre owned with something around 30K or it if I remember correct (which I may not). I can vouch for him 1st hand he is a picky as me when it comes to his car and since him taking ownership the car has never been launched and even driving spiritedly DD and doesn't bang gears or anything like that and yet he's still in this situation. Yet I have another friend with a bugeye and 140K on the orgianl tranny and beats the living **** out of it and the tranny is still as good as gold. Interesting huh???

[BG @ BrenTuning]

I've personally broken stock, 04+ stock (supposed to be better), M factory, RA Cyro'd, and a 6speed synchro. I wasn't beating on it. 6 speeds are awesome.

mfactory blames it on DS1, either way I'd avoid.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

I think some times it's just hit or miss with these kind of things, I know Chad has 78K on his car and bought it pre owned with something around 30K or it if I remember correct (which I may not). I can vouch for him 1st hand he is a picky as me when it comes to his car and since him taking ownership the car has never been launched and even driving spiritedly DD and doesn't bang gears or anything like that and yet he's still in this situation. Yet I have another friend with a bugeye and 140K on the orgianl tranny and beats the living **** out of it and the tranny is still as good as gold. Interesting huh???

They let go when they feel like it. My first one broke in neutral with the clutch in (redlight), kamikaze'd itself.

[Berge56]

I think some times it's just hit or miss with these kind of things, I know Chad has 78K on his car and bought it pre owned with something around 30K or it if I remember correct (which I may not). I can vouch for him 1st hand he is a picky as me when it comes to his car and since him taking ownership the car has never been launched and even driving spiritedly DD and doesn't bang gears or anything like that and yet he's still in this situation. Yet I have another friend with a bugeye and 140K on the orgianl tranny and beats the living **** out of it and the tranny is still as good as gold. Interesting huh???


Nope I agree with you on that! sometimes they just go when they feel like it. When the time comes I plan on going 6spd. :)

[gling]

I've personally broken stock, 04+ stock (supposed to be better), M factory, RA Cyro'd, and a 6speed synchro. I wasn't beating on it. 6 speeds are awesome.

mfactory blames it on DS1, either way I'd avoid.

Ditto on both points. The gears in the six-speed boxes don't normally go first; it is usually the synchros/baulk rings or the nylon bushings on the shift forks that wear out first.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

alot of us ruined 5th synchro on a powershift on 4-5 at the drag strip.

[gling]

alot of us ruined 5th synchro on a powershift on 4-5 at the drag strip.

Yup, that's the one that typically goes first. Mine was shot and I put in the newer carbon-sintered versions from 4th through 6th.

[civic si hb]

Do you guys recommend the 07 sti 6 speed over the 04-06 because of the longer gears(and is that the only benefit on the 07) or does it not really matter for the swap??

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Here's one of my cyro'd STi RA gears, 300whp car. 2L VF34

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs121.snc3/16873_604087222443_24202542_35596968_5182333_n.jpg

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Do you guys recommend the 07 sti 6 speed over the 04-06 because of the longer gears(and is that the only benefit on the 07) or does it not really matter for the swap??

absolutely the 07 transmission is way better :cool:

[Berge56]

plus the 07 swaps right into the WRX's with 3.54 final drives! :)

[civic si hb]

absolutely the 07 transmission is way better :cool:


Any other benefit than the longer gears for the 07??

[civic si hb]

plus the 07 swaps right into the WRX's with 3.54 final drives! :)


Yeah but the car here is a 07 wrx with 3.7FD so what does that mean if he was to get a 07 STI swap

[Berge56]

He would also need the R180 rear diff out of a 06-07 STI or a R160 rear diff out of a 02-05 WRX. for the pice he is better off going with the R160 so he doesn't have to change to the larger 5x114 knuckles and pay for brembo brakes.

[gling]

absolutely the 07 transmission is way better :cool:

Ditto. Man... you are either stealing all my words are are just plain awesome! :D



Anyways, the 07 six-speed gear ratios is not necessarily longer, it is just more evenly spaced compared to previous year USDM boxes. I personally run the shorter span JDM gears.

[08BlackWRX]

Sorry for going off topic but Rob you have a pm, could u please reply asap.... Thx

[Gearhead Geek]

Ooooooh lookie what I found: http://www.flatironstuning.com/p-1686-2005-2008-legacy-gt-1st-4th-gear-set.aspx

Obviously factor in a little more $ for installation and possible synchro replacement if needed, but that's DIRT cheap.
Just as a breakdown, here's the speeds of an OEM 06-07 gearset w/3.7 FD (and stock tire size) vs the LGT gearset w/the 3.7FD:

LGT 3.7 FD
1 2 3 4 5
0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
250 1.5 2.5 3.7 4.9 6.5
500 3.0 5.1 7.4 9.8 12.9
750 4.5 7.6 11.1 14.7 19.4
1000 6.0 10.1 14.7 19.7 25.9
1250 7.5 12.7 18.4 24.6 32.4
1500 9.0 15.2 22.1 29.5 38.8
1750 10.6 17.8 25.8 34.4 45.3
2000 12.1 20.3 29.5 39.3 51.8
2250 13.6 22.8 33.2 44.2 58.2
2500 15.1 25.4 36.8 49.1 64.7
2750 16.6 27.9 40.5 54.0 71.2
3000 18.1 30.4 44.2 59.0 77.6
3250 19.6 33.0 47.9 63.9 84.1
3500 21.1 35.5 51.6 68.8 90.6
3750 22.6 38.1 55.3 73.7 97.1
4000 24.1 40.6 59.0 78.6 103.5
4250 25.6 43.1 62.6 83.5 110.0
4500 27.1 45.7 66.3 88.4 116.5
4750 28.7 48.2 70.0 93.3 122.9
5000 30.2 50.7 73.7 98.3 129.4
5250 31.7 53.3 77.4 103.2 135.9
5500 33.2 55.8 81.1 108.1 142.4
5750 34.7 58.4 84.7 113.0 148.8
6000 36.2 60.9 88.4 117.9 155.3
6250 37.7 63.4 92.1 122.8 161.8
6500 39.2 66.0 95.8 127.7 168.2

WRX
1 2 3 4 5
0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
250 1.4 2.5 3.5 4.9 6.5
500 2.8 4.9 7.0 9.8 12.9
750 4.1 7.4 10.5 14.7 19.4
1000 5.5 9.8 14.0 19.7 25.9
1250 6.9 12.3 17.5 24.6 32.4
1500 8.3 14.7 21.0 29.5 38.8
1750 9.7 17.2 24.5 34.4 45.3
2000 11.1 19.6 28.0 39.3 51.8
2250 12.4 22.1 31.5 44.2 58.2
2500 13.8 24.5 35.0 49.1 64.7
2750 15.2 27.0 38.5 54.0 71.2
3000 16.6 29.4 42.0 59.0 77.6
3250 18.0 31.9 45.4 63.9 84.1
3500 19.4 34.3 48.9 68.8 90.6
3750 20.7 36.8 52.4 73.7 97.1
4000 22.1 39.2 55.9 78.6 103.5
4250 23.5 41.7 59.4 83.5 110.0
4500 24.9 44.1 62.9 88.4 116.5
4750 26.3 46.6 66.4 93.3 122.9
5000 27.7 49.1 69.9 98.3 129.4
5250 29.0 51.5 73.4 103.2 135.9
5500 30.4 54.0 76.9 108.1 142.4
5750 31.8 56.4 80.4 113.0 148.8
6000 33.2 58.9 83.9 117.9 155.3
6250 34.6 61.3 87.4 122.8 161.8
6500 35.9 63.8 90.9 127.7 168.2 My only question for someone who's thinking more coherently then me (massive head cold), is would these gears cause more or less driveline shock then the oem's because of the ratios? I'm inclined to think it would be more but someone please correct me if i'm bass-ackwards

And despite the arguement some might have that this is by no means a bulletproof setup, the fact of the matter is it's CHEAP. $664 for the full kit for an 05-07. Calculate in the few things that may need replacing (synchro's, bearings, etc), and labor...and you could definately pull this off for under $1500-ish

[civic si hb]

Great Info Tim!!!

Now much stronger and what kind of TQ is the LGT able to handle safely for a DD, cause for 1500.00 installed is nice!!!

[Gearhead Geek]

Another neat piece of info that is still pretty cheap and would go great with the LGT gearset. Since I pretty much answered my own question before that the LGT gears w/the 3.7 FD would end up being a bit more stress on the driveline (I think, someone still please correct me if I'm wrong), I did some digging.
Turns out the 06-07 WRX's have a 1.0:1 center diff, as opposed to the 02-05's (which had 1.1:1). What this means is it should be fairly simple to convert the final drive simply by changing the front diff & rear diff ring & pinions.
Low and behold, a little digging on the intarwebs and I found a few threads that talk about doing this, with part numbers and prices.
And so we have:
38104AA030 $549.73 FXT rear ring and pinion
38100AB300 $435.80 FXT front ring and pinon
... which results in a 4.444:1 FD. Granted it's an extra $1000 for parts, BUT, this eases up a LOT of the driveline load, as well as gives us a speed/rpm layout that looks MUCH more appealing:


LGT 4.444 FD
1 2 3 4 5
0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
250 1.3 2.1 3.1 4.1 5.4
500 2.5 4.2 6.1 8.2 10.8
750 3.8 6.3 9.2 12.3 16.2
1000 5.0 8.5 12.3 16.4 21.5
1250 6.3 10.6 15.3 20.5 26.9
1500 7.5 12.7 18.4 24.5 32.3
1750 8.8 14.8 21.5 28.6 37.7
2000 10.0 16.9 24.5 32.7 43.1
2250 11.3 19.0 27.6 36.8 48.5
2500 12.6 21.1 30.7 40.9 53.9
2750 13.8 23.2 33.7 45.0 59.3
3000 15.1 25.4 36.8 49.1 64.6
3250 16.3 27.5 39.9 53.2 70.0
3500 17.6 29.6 42.9 57.3 75.4
3750 18.8 31.7 46.0 61.4 80.8
4000 20.1 33.8 49.1 65.4 86.2
4250 21.3 35.9 52.2 69.5 91.6
4500 22.6 38.0 55.2 73.6 97.0
4750 23.9 40.1 58.3 77.7 102.4
5000 25.1 42.3 61.4 81.8 107.7
5250 26.4 44.4 64.4 85.9 113.1
5500 27.6 46.5 67.5 90.0 118.5
5750 28.9 48.6 70.6 94.1 123.9
6000 30.1 50.7 73.6 98.2 129.3
6250 31.4 52.8 76.7 102.3 134.7
6500 32.7 54.9 79.8 106.4 140.1
Thoughts, opinions?

[civic si hb]

Another neat piece of info that is still pretty cheap and would go great with the LGT gearset. Since I pretty much answered my own question before that the LGT gears w/the 3.7 FD would end up being a bit more stress on the driveline (I think, someone still please correct me if I'm wrong), I did some digging.
Turns out the 06-07 WRX's have a 1.0:1 center diff, as opposed to the 02-05's (which had 1.1:1). What this means is it should be fairly simple to convert the final drive simply by changing the front diff & rear diff ring & pinions.
Low and behold, a little digging on the intarwebs and I found a few threads that talk about doing this, with part numbers and prices.
And so we have:
38104AA030 $549.73 FXT rear ring and pinion
38100AB300 $435.80 FXT front ring and pinon
... which results in a 4.444:1 FD. Granted it's an extra $1000 for parts, BUT, this eases up a LOT of the driveline load, as well as gives us a speed/rpm layout that looks MUCH more appealing:


LGT 4.444 FD
1 2 3 4 5
0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
250 1.3 2.1 3.1 4.1 5.4
500 2.5 4.2 6.1 8.2 10.8
750 3.8 6.3 9.2 12.3 16.2
1000 5.0 8.5 12.3 16.4 21.5
1250 6.3 10.6 15.3 20.5 26.9
1500 7.5 12.7 18.4 24.5 32.3
1750 8.8 14.8 21.5 28.6 37.7
2000 10.0 16.9 24.5 32.7 43.1
2250 11.3 19.0 27.6 36.8 48.5
2500 12.6 21.1 30.7 40.9 53.9
2750 13.8 23.2 33.7 45.0 59.3
3000 15.1 25.4 36.8 49.1 64.6
3250 16.3 27.5 39.9 53.2 70.0
3500 17.6 29.6 42.9 57.3 75.4
3750 18.8 31.7 46.0 61.4 80.8
4000 20.1 33.8 49.1 65.4 86.2
4250 21.3 35.9 52.2 69.5 91.6
4500 22.6 38.0 55.2 73.6 97.0
4750 23.9 40.1 58.3 77.7 102.4
5000 25.1 42.3 61.4 81.8 107.7
5250 26.4 44.4 64.4 85.9 113.1
5500 27.6 46.5 67.5 90.0 118.5
5750 28.9 48.6 70.6 94.1 123.9
6000 30.1 50.7 73.6 98.2 129.3
6250 31.4 52.8 76.7 102.3 134.7
6500 32.7 54.9 79.8 106.4 140.1
Thoughts, opinions?


More great info man....

Only thing for me would be 106 maxing out 4th??? (eek) (short)

[Gearhead Geek]

More great info man....

Only thing for me would be 106 maxing out 4th??? (eek) (short)

Could always raise the redline up a little bit to squeeze a little more, although I'm not sure what the safest you can bump it up on a stock EJ255 is (Bren? :D ).

[civic si hb]

Could always raise the redline up a little bit to squeeze a little more, although I'm not sure what the safest you can bump it up on a stock EJ255 is (Bren? :D ).


I personally won't be touching that for me... :D

[Gearhead Geek]

Yet another option, rather then the 4.444's, would be 4.11 from a 2.5rs. Won't post the whole chart, but here's the speeds for each gear @ 6500rpm:
1st - 35.3, 2nd - 59.4, 3rd - 86.2, 4th - 115.0, 5th - 151.5
A nice compromise and probably a little bit better for mpg's as well.
I looked but couldn't find any part numbers for the front & rear ring & pinion sets, I'll leave that part up to someone else as my head is starting to hurt even more from all this reading.

[Demetry]

Yet another option, rather then the 4.444's, would be 4.11 from a 2.5rs. Won't post the whole chart, but here's the speeds for each gear @ 6500rpm:
1st - 35.3, 2nd - 59.4, 3rd - 86.2, 4th - 115.0, 5th - 151.5
A nice compromise and probably a little bit better for mpg's as well.
I looked but couldn't find any part numbers for the front & rear ring & pinion sets, I'll leave that part up to someone else as my head is starting to hurt even more from all this reading.


this is much better IMO. I appreciate all this work you have put in here.!!


I'm searching for a truck to buy before I really get in to this. I will probbaly decide next week.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Could always raise the redline up a little bit to squeeze a little more, although I'm not sure what the safest you can bump it up on a stock EJ255 is (Bren? :D ).

4.44 swaps are a little much on the 2.5L. But fun! Go drive an FXT and see if you like it.

Power can't be made at redline on 255's without alarge turbo or headwork. But you can rev them to 7000.

[shtbxr22]

wow, my head hurts. i'm not putting my $0.02 in.

[Demetry]

wow, my head hurts. i'm not putting my $0.02 in.


Why not Eric? Do it!!! :lol: Same here...and its my problem too. I gotta find a beater first, then look in to this *****.

[Berge56]

Nice work Gearhead! I think 4.11's would be the highest you would want to go on the 255. The lgt gears are cheaper then I thought, that is not a bad price at all.

My question for you guys is you are putting the lgt gears in the wrx case correct? This case has been known for its case flex under load. When the case flexes it causes the tollerances on the gears to change and in some cases causes the gears to run on the tips or their teeth. Thus breaking gear teeth. So what would stop the case from flexing? I think I remember earlier in the thread someone saying they thought the 05-09 Lgt's had a tranny brace. Has anyone been able to confirm this? I think this is why even PPG gears have been known to break. Too much flex in the weak 5 speed case.

[jwebsta32]

wow, my head hurts. i'm not putting my $0.02 in.

I think as the tech mod it's your duty to add your input :lol:

[Gearhead Geek]

Nice work Gearhead! I think 4.11's would be the highest you would want to go on the 255. The lgt gears are cheaper then I thought, that is not a bad price at all.

My question for you guys is you are putting the lgt gears in the wrx case correct? This case has been known for its case flex under load. When the case flexes it causes the tollerances on the gears to change and in some cases causes the gears to run on the tips or their teeth. Thus breaking gear teeth. So what would stop the case from flexing? I think I remember earlier in the thread someone saying they thought the 05-09 Lgt's had a tranny brace. Has anyone been able to confirm this? I think this is why even PPG gears have been known to break. Too much flex in the weak 5 speed case.

That's a very good point. My next path of research was going to be finding out which years of LGT transmissions would bolt right up (as obviously this is MUCH cheaper and less time consuming then a full rebuild). Also, if there is one that would just bolt up easily, if the splines for the axles would be the same as the WRX, as this would make the swap a complete cakewalk. And lastly, which clutch/flywheel would be needed. Hrm...

I think as the tech mod it's your duty to add your input :lol:

+1 :D

[jwebsta32]

im talking to a guy in NY about a '05 LGT trans. I believe the turbo legacy's are almost same

[jwebsta32]

That's a very good point. My next path of research was going to be finding out which years of LGT transmissions would bolt right up (as obviously this is MUCH cheaper and less time consuming then a full rebuild). Also, if there is one that would just bolt up easily, if the splines for the axles would be the same as the WRX, as this would make the swap a complete cakewalk. And lastly, which clutch/flywheel would be needed. Hrm...



+1 :D



Im pretty sure the clutch from 06-07 wrx and 05+LGT are the same.......

research haha

http://www.rallysportdirect.com/static/act-0607-wrx05-lgt-street-discstreetlite-flywheel-combo-p-3452.html

[Gearhead Geek]

Im pretty sure the clutch from 06-07 wrx and 05+LGT are the same.......

research haha

http://www.rallysportdirect.com/static/act-0607-wrx05-lgt-street-discstreetlite-flywheel-combo-p-3452.html

Ya I did a little reading and it turns out a lot of the LGT guys switch to 06-07 WRX clutches & flywheels to eliminate the dual mass garbage. I also found 2 threads on the "other" site that do say that 05+ LGT axles and 06-07 WRX axles are interchangeable. While the posts weren't from any reputable source, it's definately looking optimistic. I'll shoot an e-mail over to DSS a little later today (unless perhaps someone at a Subi dealer can cross ref part #'s and perhaps confirm this) to see if this is definately true.
If it is, then this is looking to be the simplest swap to do with the best gain at the best price (assuming ~$1000 for a used trans, and ~$200 for a 2.5rs ring & pinion @ 4.11:1).
And if this all works, then the next question would be... would a Quaife front diff fit in the LGT transmission? :D

[Demetry]

Tim, your going all out on this research. I like this! Good work.

[jwebsta32]

I got a line on an 05lgt trans woooo

[Demetry]

I gotta be honest...think I'm leaning towards Mfactory. Again though, I wont decide for another week or so and during that time a lot of research will be done. I hate how many mixed messages there are about EVERY option...

[Evoeater]

Go with the MFactory or RA gearsets...they ARE better than the LGTs gears...being Cryo'd and Micro Polished....They are designed to handle the higher power levels and loads..If you go with the LGTs to save a few bucks you will end up unhappy when you break them down the road...

[shtbxr22]

well, i don't know about the innards of an LGT, but the final drives are different. the clutches are both push type, however the flywheels are different, so i don't know for sure 100% whether or not they would be compatible. LGT=dual mass, WRX=single mass flywheel. I almost had a line on a 35k 06 WRX tranny, but realized it was spoken for. sorry I could not help. my recommendation would be just to throw some hard **** into your existing trans.

[Berge56]

I would go m factory for your setup. The max tq they say they can handle is 375

[shtbxr22]

I think as the tech mod it's your duty to add your input :lol:


your right. I disagreed with some of the opinions in here, so I just wanted to keep my mouth shut. thinking some more, I realized that this thread is not to argue, but to give chad some helpful input on his trans issue. so.......:spin:

[Demetry]

Hey guys, any input is accepted. I want this to be a thread that will help us all out and make this subject a little more knowledgeable to all of us. Hopefully not, but most likely this will help someone else out too in the future who has the same problem as me.

I'm exploring all options at this point. Just some are more realistic for the wallet:(

[civic si hb]

I would go m factory for your setup. The max tq they say they can handle is 275.


The max tq for M factory is 275lbs or LGT???

[Berge56]

actually I am an idiot...its 375! and that is the M factory gears.

[jwebsta32]

I'm gonna try this lgt theory. Already talking to a guy with an 05 lgt trans with blown third

[Demetry]

I'm gonna try this lgt theory. Already talking to a guy with an 05 lgt trans with blown third


so why would you want to go with it if he has already blown 3rd? You are pushing serious power. 333AWHP/340TQ on DSG's dyno is no joke. I was at 270/300 tuned in July.

[jwebsta32]

Rebuild it with diff set of gears and I can keep my set up in car till I finish lgt set. It will be better than what I'm running when it's rebuilt and cheaper than 6 speed swap or ppg's. Thank god for subie tech friends

[Gearhead Geek]

Just a note, I've seen it mentioned that the LGT gears are shot peened and possibly cryo treated (although I highly doubt the cryo treating part).
The MFactory's seem nice, although personally I just seem a little bit worried by the (large quantity of) reports of them breaking.
The biggest advantage of doing an LGT swap/rear ring & pinion swap would be that fact that you would change the final drive from 3.7 to 4.11. This will lessen the shock to the transmission/rear diff when beating on it. Granted, it will increase the shock on the axles and spindles, but those are MUCH easier and cheaper to replace then a transmission or gears.
That being said, if you do decide to go with MFactory (or are considering PPG at all), call AndrewTech. There's a few recent threads on a couple of the other sites where they're running some damn good sales on builds (including free shipping TO them, that's huge).

Also, on a side note; sent off an e-mail today to DSS about the axle splines thing. Awaiting a response from them :)

Tim, your going all out on this research. I like this! Good work.

No problem man. This brings back memories of the early K-Series days trying to frankenstein together whatever we could on those things :D

[Gearhead Geek]

Did a little quick reading. Looks like 05-07 would be the years to look for in an LGT transmission.
08-09 lists the FD as 3.9, which could be an issue. Also I have no clue if it's an overall 3.9FD with the front r&p being 4.11 with a center of 1.1:1 and a rear of 3.54, or if it's a 3.9-1.0:1-3.9.
Also, as far as these all bolting up, I think we could really benefit from either a) some first hand experience (perhaps some of the tuners/builders on here giving some feedback on this one), or b) some solid measurements of bolt patterns, input shaft lengths, overall trans lengths, etc.

Ok, break time for me lol :lol:

[jwebsta32]

I'm pretty sure the axles are the same from lgt to wrx

[shtbxr22]

I got some info from work today. 05-07, 4.11:1
08(limited production run) 3.90:1
09, 4.44:1

side note: I put a deposit on my new(to me) rear LSD. yippee!!!
thank you gearhead geek for giving me the idea to search ratios. i thought I was SOL because I couldn't find any diffs that had a 3.90.
so, i will also say, if you lower your car, and have stiff suspension, you should get an LSD. I almost got t-boned twice due to the one wheel wonder in back. I was teetering on the crest of the road when pulling out into traffic. scary ****!

[civic si hb]

I got some info from work today. 05-07, 4.11:1
08(limited production run) 3.90:1
09, 4.44:1

side note: I put a deposit on my new(to me) rear LSD. yippee!!!
thank you gearhead geek for giving me the idea to search ratios. i thought I was SOL because I couldn't find any diffs that had a 3.90.
so, i will also say, if you lower your car, and have stiff suspension, you should get an LSD. I almost got t-boned twice due to the one wheel wonder in back. I was teetering on the crest of the road when pulling out into traffic. scary ****!


How much are u looking at for one???


At the end of this htread it could be a sticky with some of the great info in it.

[Nate8409]

If possibly take the plunge now for the 6 speed. The increase in strength is worth it night and day.

[shtbxr22]

How much are u looking at for one???


At the end of this thread it could be a sticky with some of the great info in it.

it's $478. 13k miles

[Gearhead Geek]

I got some info from work today. 05-07, 4.11:1
08(limited production run) 3.90:1
09, 4.44:1

side note: I put a deposit on my new(to me) rear LSD. yippee!!!
thank you gearhead geek for giving me the idea to search ratios. i thought I was SOL because I couldn't find any diffs that had a 3.90.
so, i will also say, if you lower your car, and have stiff suspension, you should get an LSD. I almost got t-boned twice due to the one wheel wonder in back. I was teetering on the crest of the road when pulling out into traffic. scary ****!

Nice. LSD's are such a must on any car. The difference on my Civic was night and day (Quaife on that thing), and I can't wait till the time comes to throw some in the WRX. Also, if you have a chance, can you do some digging for me at your work and try to find me part numbers and prices for an 05-07 front ring & pinion set and also the rear (assuming the LGT uses an R2160 rear diff) ring and pinion set for the 4.11. Definately considering changing over and doing the LGT gears knowing now how cheap they are

[shtbxr22]

I don't think it'll be cheap, but I can look still. mine was a lucky occurrence, where my parts manager talked to his contact in LKQ, and located the only used one in New England. a new one goes for about $1800. :eek:

[Demetry]

UPDATE:

I'm about 90% sure I'm going to pull my tranny, send it to Andrewtech and Have PPG 1-2 straight cut, 3-4 helical cut installed.

I will update once I pull the trigger.

[Berge56]

How come you going ppg meow? Did andrewtech talk you into the PPG's?

[Demetry]

No. Because that is what I want to go with. I contacted AndrewTech myself and they offered me a good deal. I'm not going to go with another OEM transmission unless it were a 6speed, I dont have enough faith in RA's and the Mfactory close ratio. The "new" Pro-series from Mfactory are still questionable to me becasue they havent been proven yet since they are still new to the market. For the price difference and the deal I am going to get it is worth it to go PPG for the piece of mind alone, IMO.

[gling]

No. Because that is what I want to go with. I contacted AndrewTech myself and they offered me a good deal. I'm not going to go with another OEM transmission unless it were a 6speed, I dont have enough faith in RA's and the Mfactory close ratio. The "new" Pro-series from Mfactory are still questionable to me becasue they havent been proven yet since they are still new to the market. For the price difference and the deal I am going to get it is worth it to go PPG for the piece of mind alone, IMO.

Ditto; I concur on your reasoning.

[Berge56]

Perfect reasoning to me! I am glad you are getting a good deal and I look forward to your review of the PPG's.

[Demetry]

Perfect reasoning to me! I am glad you are getting a good deal and I look forward to your review of the PPG's.


Me too! Thanks for agreeing. there is so much info out there that makes it so hard to choose. The cost difference was hundreds of dollars vs thousands Mfactory vs PPG. Easy decision to me.

I probably will have it installed late March/early April.

[Evoeater]

Do it up!! Just remember it going to be loud!! But still nasty!! A little example...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YemHx-C_lS4&feature=related

[civic si hb]

Do it up!! Just remember it going to be loud!! But still nasty!! A little example...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YemHx-C_lS4&feature=related


LOL, look at the last reply by the OP for the vid :spin:

"had to repair the box twice..then got rid of it and put in a sti 6 speed and never broke again...dont waste your money on a ppg"

Chad PM or test me details on everything when u get a chance.

[Evoeater]

LOL, look at the last reply by the OP for the vid :spin:

"had to repair the box twice..then got rid of it and put in a sti 6 speed and never broke again...dont waste your money on a ppg"

Chad PM or test me details on everything when u get a chance.

Wow didnt even notice that...

[jwebsta32]

depends on what that moron was doing to it as well.......full throttle clutch drops are not good on anything really

[civic si hb]

Wow didnt even notice that...


LOL, I didn't think u did Ray :)

[Demetry]

LOL, look at the last reply by the OP for the vid :spin:

"had to repair the box twice..then got rid of it and put in a sti 6 speed and never broke again...dont waste your money on a ppg"

Chad PM or test me details on everything when u get a chance.


Will do. You can find issues with everything. I'm not pushing big power really and I'm still not going to beat on my car. Maybe just a little harder than before :lol:

depends on what that moron was doing to it as well.......full throttle clutch drops are not good on anything really

X2.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Guys remember -

More then the 5 speed "gears" break at decent power levels, bulletproof gears or not.

the 5 speed was ultimately the demise and reason I sold my car after 4 different transmissions. I had a VF series turbo. I could never keep it together.

[Demetry]

Guys remember -

More then the 5 speed "gears" break at decent power levels, bulletproof gears or not.

the 5 speed was ultimately the demise and reason I sold my car after 4 different transmissions. I had a VF series turbo. I could never keep it together.


Unfortunately, a 6 speed is not an option for me. This is going to have to work out. I will be replacing bearings, and syncros as well as going 1-3 straight cut, 4th helical. At this point...I can only pray for no issues after that.

[civic si hb]

Unfortunately, a 6 speed is not an option for me. This is going to have to work out. I will be replacing bearings, and syncros as well as going 1-3 straight cut, 4th helical. At this point...I can only pray for no issues after that.

Chad(pm or text me if u have 2) I'd like to know the deal that you're getting and how much it is and how you got it? Need to plan for the future myself too ya know :D

[Demetry]

I got dealer cost through my exhaust business.

[civic si hb]

I got dealer cost through my exhaust business.


Nice man....

I PM'd ya back too :)

If mine goes and your happy with your this is the route I will probably go if I can land around the same price you did. :)

[sabs8571]

This thread is giving me a great sense of confidence........getting my vf39 put in monday....better start putting money aside for when mine goes.....

[civic si hb]

This thread is giving me a great sense of confidence........getting my vf39 put in monday....better start putting money aside for when mine goes.....



Try not to be over worried....

You see alot less of 06-07 wrx tarnnys going compared to 02-05 so far. They have made some nice improvments from the previous generations. Granted it's no 6 speed sti but if you search you don't see alot of these going. I've had my VF39 swap for 5000 miles pushing 330whp and 340tq but i'm nice to my car and hope the tranny is nice to me :)

[Gearhead Geek]

UPDATE:

I'm about 90% sure I'm going to pull my tranny, send it to Andrewtech and Have PPG 1-2 straight cut, 3-4 helical cut installed.

I will update once I pull the trigger.

Bit late chiming in on this one, been busy as hell lately.
Anywhos, awesome choice man :D
Any plans to change the final drive or the front diff while you're getting it done?
Also, in a later post you said you're doing 1-3 straight cut and 4th helical. Was that a change of plans or just a typo? Only reason I ask is that I didn't even realize PPG made a straight cut 3rd/helical 4th combo.

Again, grats on the making the best choice, and I'll call you at some point this week cause I'm definately curious about what kinda deal they offered you :)

[civic si hb]

Bit late chiming in on this one, been busy as hell lately.
Anywhos, awesome choice man :D
Any plans to change the final drive or the front diff while you're getting it done?
Also, in a later post you said you're doing 1-3 straight cut and 4th helical. Was that a change of plans or just a typo? Only reason I ask is that I didn't even realize PPG made a straight cut 3rd/helical 4th combo.

Again, grats on the making the best choice, and I'll call you at some point this week cause I'm definately curious about what kinda deal they offered you :)


Yeah Tim, we talked over PM and told me the same setup that he was doing. I might go the same route in the future for the price man... I think he's keeping the 5th stock along with the same gear ratio. Personally I like our long 3rd and 4th and only really using 5th as a OD crusing gear.

[Demetry]

Bit late chiming in on this one, been busy as hell lately.
Anywhos, awesome choice man :D
Any plans to change the final drive or the front diff while you're getting it done?
Also, in a later post you said you're doing 1-3 straight cut and 4th helical. Was that a change of plans or just a typo? Only reason I ask is that I didn't even realize PPG made a straight cut 3rd/helical 4th combo.

Again, grats on the making the best choice, and I'll call you at some point this week cause I'm definately curious about what kinda deal they offered you :)

No, I changed from 1-2 straight to 3rd as well. Decided that gear takes the most abuse, or so it seems and I wanted to go with the stronger of the two options. 4th and 5th will be nice and quiet (relatively speaking on 4th) for cruising. You can mix and match PPG's straight and helical on any gear. Most common is 1-2 straight, 3-4 helical. Not changing anything else out right now, other than clutch. cant afford to.

This thread is giving me a great sense of confidence........getting my vf39 put in monday....better start putting money aside for when mine goes.....

Most likely you will all set. But you never know. this was the last thing I expected and it happened at not even WOT...


Try not to be over worried....

You see alot less of 06-07 wrx tarnnys going compared to 02-05 so far. They have made some nice improvments from the previous generations. Granted it's no 6 speed sti but if you search you don't see alot of these going. I've had my VF39 swap for 5000 miles pushing 330whp and 340tq but i'm nice to my car and hope the tranny is nice to me :)

treat it nice Rob :)

Yeah Tim, we talked over PM and told me the same setup that he was doing. I might go the same route in the future for the price man... I think he's keeping the 5th stock along with the same gear ratio. Personally I like our long 3rd and 4th and only really using 5th as a OD crusing gear.

yes, 5th will just be a cruising gear

[gling]

Unfortunately, a 6 speed is not an option for me. This is going to have to work out. I will be replacing bearings, and syncros as well as going 1-3 straight cut, 4th helical. At this point...I can only pray for no issues after that.

Curious, but you must be getting a really good deal on the five-speed box. I got my entire six-speed swap (parts) minus Brembos for less than $4000. Labor was performed by myself and some friends. Factor in labor at a shop for say $1000, a six-speed swap will run about $5000. If you can get everything done for your five-speed for less than this, then go ahead. Otherwise, I would recommend the six-speed.

[Demetry]

Curious, but you must be getting a really good deal on the five-speed box. I got my entire six-speed swap (parts) minus Brembos for less than $4000. Labor was performed by myself and some friends. Factor in labor at a shop for say $1000, a six-speed swap will run about $5000. If you can get everything done for your five-speed for less than this, then go ahead. Otherwise, I would recommend the six-speed.


Yeah, quite a bit less so that is why I'm going that route. Sounds like you got a good deal though!

[Demetry]

Curious, but you must be getting a really good deal on the five-speed box. I got my entire six-speed swap (parts) minus Brembos for less than $4000. Labor was performed by myself and some friends. Factor in labor at a shop for say $1000, a six-speed swap will run about $5000. If you can get everything done for your five-speed for less than this, then go ahead. Otherwise, I would recommend the six-speed.


gling,

I was just thinking...Find me a 6speed swap that can be installed on my car with all the parts needed and good to go for 4k. I may consider if you can.

[jwebsta32]

^ look on nasiocs drive train for sale thread....there are several there

[gling]

gling,

I was just thinking...Find me a 6speed swap that can be installed on my car with all the parts needed and good to go for 4k. I may consider if you can.

^ look on nasiocs drive train for sale thread....there are several there

Yeah, that's where I got mine. Just hit it up every other day and you should find something local. I picked mine up in NJ when I was living in CT. The seller even bought me lunch! :lol:

[Demetry]

^ look on nasiocs drive train for sale thread....there are several there

Yeah, that's where I got mine. Just hit it up every other day and you should find something local. I picked mine up in NJ when I was living in CT. The seller even bought me lunch! :lol:


I'll take a look and see whats out there. BUt probably sticking with my plan...thanks!

[gling]

I'll take a look and see whats out there. BUt probably sticking with my plan...thanks!

Cool beans. If I see anything, I'll let you know. Good luck with your escapades regardless.

Cheers.

Gerald.

[Demetry]

bump... (joking)

So let me get some opinions here.

PPG 1-3 straight cut, 4th helical

OR

PPG's 1-2 straight cut, 3-4 helical


Straight cut are rated for 50 additon hp/TQ so I've read...

[Berge56]

bump... (joking)

So let me get some opinions here.

PPG 1-3 straight cut, 4th helical

OR

PPG's 1-2 straight cut, 3-4 helical


Straight cut are rated for 50 additon hp/TQ so I've read...

Do 1-4 straight cut! :lol: That would be nasty!

and you haz a new pm.

[gling]

bump... (joking)

So let me get some opinions here.

PPG 1-3 straight cut, 4th helical

OR

PPG's 1-2 straight cut, 3-4 helical


Straight cut are rated for 50 additon hp/TQ so I've read...

I'd also say do 1-4 straight cut. If you are going to do it, might as well go all out (unless there is a large price difference). Don't be like an all-season tire...

[shtbxr22]

I'm pretty sure 3 and 4 have to be the same, unless they offer two kinds. 3 and 4 are matched on one piece with the speedo section in betweem them.

[Demetry]

I'm pretty sure 3 and 4 have to be the same, unless they offer two kinds. 3 and 4 are matched on one piece with the speedo section in betweem them.


i'll have to ask...

[shtbxr22]

at least on the driven shaft they are together, on the input shaft they are separate, sorry.

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Daily driving straight cut gears? whattttt! You're brave. :)

[Demetry]

Daily driving straight cut gears? whattttt! You're brave. :)


thats why I'm the man :lol:

[Evoeater]

He is being smart!

[civic si hb]

Chad so if helical is 50 hp and tq less what would that put them at for power?

[Demetry]

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[Demetry]

Chad so if helical is 50 hp and tq less what would that put them at for power?

1st to 4th Straight Cut Synchro Gearset for Subaru WRX 5 Speed

http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/backstage/extensions/thumbCreator/thumbCreator.asp?image=http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/82_SubaruWRX1_4SCsynchro.jpg&width=200&height=200&jpegquality=100 (http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/82_SubaruWRX1_4SCsynchro.jpg)
Utilising the stock 5th gear, this set increases the power transfer of 1st to 4th gear significantly whilst delivering factory type driveability combined with the whine of straight cut gears and low drivetrain power loss.
PPG manufacture billet selector forks and front LSD's that complement this product as further options.


Ratios: 3.08 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / std
Horsepower Rating: 450 hp


1st to 4th Helical Cut Synchromesh Gearset for Subaru WRX 5 Speed

http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/backstage/extensions/thumbCreator/thumbCreator.asp?image=http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/83_SubaruWRX1st_4thHCsynchro.jpg&width=200&height=200&jpegquality=100 (http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/83_SubaruWRX1st_4thHCsynchro.jpg)
Utilising the stock 5th gear, this set increases the power transfer of 1st to 4th gear significantly whilst delivering factory type driveability combined with quiet operation.
PPG manufacture billet selector forks and front LSD's that complement this product as further options


Ratios: 3.18 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / std
Horsepower Rating: 400 hp



COPIED DIRECTLY OFF THE WEBSITE. LOOKS LIKE A CLAIMED 50HP.

[civic si hb]

1st to 4th Straight Cut Synchro Gearset for Subaru WRX 5 Speed

http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/backstage/extensions/thumbCreator/thumbCreator.asp?image=http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/82_SubaruWRX1_4SCsynchro.jpg&width=200&height=200&jpegquality=100 (http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/82_SubaruWRX1_4SCsynchro.jpg)
Utilising the stock 5th gear, this set increases the power transfer of 1st to 4th gear significantly whilst delivering factory type driveability combined with the whine of straight cut gears and low drivetrain power loss.
PPG manufacture billet selector forks and front LSD's that complement this product as further options.


Ratios: 3.08 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / std
Horsepower Rating: 450 hp


1st to 4th Helical Cut Synchromesh Gearset for Subaru WRX 5 Speed

http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/backstage/extensions/thumbCreator/thumbCreator.asp?image=http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/83_SubaruWRX1st_4thHCsynchro.jpg&width=200&height=200&jpegquality=100 (http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/files/products/83_SubaruWRX1st_4thHCsynchro.jpg)
Utilising the stock 5th gear, this set increases the power transfer of 1st to 4th gear significantly whilst delivering factory type driveability combined with quiet operation.
PPG manufacture billet selector forks and front LSD's that complement this product as further options


Ratios: 3.18 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / std
Horsepower Rating: 400 hp



COPIED DIRECTLY OFF THE WEBSITE. LOOKS LIKE A CLAIMED 50HP.


Is there a price difference between the 2 of them??

400hp va 450hp

wine or no wine

That is the question??

[Demetry]

no price difference. Straight cut will be louder, but I guess a little stronger.

Straight cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klNOJU85lao&feature=related

Helical Cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7oQeKwkHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeOi3g3rjA&feature=related

Between the straight cuts and the Tial 38MM EWG I will be turning some heads and cannot wait to do so. I love being an assh*ole :lol:

[civic si hb]

no price difference. Straight cut will be louder, but I guess a little stronger.

Straight cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klNOJU85lao&feature=related

Helical Cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7oQeKwkHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeOi3g3rjA&feature=related

Between the straight cuts and the Tial 38MM EWG I will be turning some heads and cannot wait to do so. I love being an assh*ole :lol:

The Helical cut are louder than I thought they would be. At that point just go with the straight cut. Did you find out if you can do 1-3 staright and 4th helical? Or do u have to do 1-4 all staright cut like someoe was saying??? Since your 3rd went I would probably go 1-3 straight and 4th helical cut if you can. If not 1-2 staright and 3-4 helical I bet will still be fine with how u drive your car.

[Demetry]

The Helical cut are louder than I thought they would be. At that point just go with the straight cut. Did you find out if you can do 1-3 staright and 4th helical? Or do u have to do 1-4 all staright cut like someoe was saying??? Since your 3rd went I would probably go 1-3 straight and 4th helical cut if you can. If not 1-2 staright and 3-4 helical I bet will still be fine with how u drive your car.


If I cannot do 1-3 I will definitely jut go 1-4 straight cut I think. Might as well at this point....

Also, I may be a little less "easy" driving my car after these are installed. :lol:

[Nate8409]

Whatever you do get the Front limited slip!

[Kevin]

I have driven a straight cut dogbox for a hour and I would never want them as a daily driver lol. I would go with the sti 6 speed hands down.

[shtbxr22]

Whatever you do, DO NOT get the Front limited slip!


fixed! are you crazy?

[Evoeater]

I have driven a straight cut dogbox for a hour and I would never want them as a daily driver lol. I would go with the sti 6 speed hands down.

He is going syncromesh..not dogbox...huge difference

[Demetry]

He is going syncromesh..not dogbox...huge difference

yeah!

I WENT TO START MY CAR TODAY AFTER NOT SEEING IT FOR 2 WEEKS. IT MADE ME A LITTLE SAD BUT IT STARTED RIGHT UP AND SOUNDED GOOD.

[Seraphinwolf]

WOW! Extra excited, eh Chad? Good to hear it's all sorted out. How's the trans feel?

[shtbxr22]

I don't think he got it fixed yet. I don't remember pulling his tranny yet. ;)

[Demetry]

Yeah...definitely havent touched it yet. Still sitting in the trailer with a blown 3rd gear. waiting on tax return on this one...

[Seraphinwolf]

:(

[Demetry]

UPDATE: Going to ride in a 1-2 straight cut, 3-4 helical cut PPG equiped car this Saturday!

Hopefully tranny gets pulled next week and sent to AndrewTech in MD for the re-build the week after.

[98Wagoon]

cant wait to finally hear a review of someone running PPGs.

[Demetry]

cant wait to finally hear a review of someone running PPGs.


me either. I better like them!

[Demetry]

TRANSMISSION WAS PULLED TODAY. OFF TO ANDREWTECH IT GOES!

[brian]

Nice man! Congrats!

[Demetry]

Nice man! Congrats!


Thanks...

[SicRedGt]

Hope it works out for you man. FWIW, a LGT 5 speed probably would have held up to your power levels with no problem. My car is right around 300whp, 80,000 miles and no trouble with the tranny. (and I beat it up silly every day)

[Demetry]

Ok, so Ray, Chris and I pulled the tranny apart tonight to see the damage. The picture speak for themselves...

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny4.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny5.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny2.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny1.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny3.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny6.jpg

[98Wagoon]

egads, sir!

what happened when you.. umm.. injured.. 3rd gear..? lol. did you just go for a downshift/pull and it shredded like that?

[Demetry]

egads, sir!

what happened when you.. umm.. injured.. 3rd gear..? lol. did you just go for a downshift/pull and it shredded like that?


coasting in 3rd gear for 10 seconds, got on it to 3/4 throttle. car shook and i knew something happened right then. It was a very innocent pull.

[Demetry]

Ok, so Ray, Chris and I pulled the tranny apart tonight to see the damage. The picture speak for themselves...

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny4.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny5.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny2.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny1.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny3.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/cjdslalomace/tranny6.jpg

[civic si hb]

That's alot of metal chunks.... :eek:

No more VTEC for you!!! :D

[98Wagoon]

coasting in 3rd gear for 10 seconds, got on it to 3/4 throttle. car shook and i knew something happened right then. It was a very innocent pull.


wow. did they have any input on how/why it would have blown up like that on an easy pull?

[Gearhead Geek]

Holy crap that's bad, and I say that only looking at it on my phone. There HAD to have been some serious impurities in the metal to blow that bad. That looks waaay beyond what thermal cycles+torque would do.
Oh well, at least its gettin fixed and you'll be back on the road soon :D

[javasti2004]

not good at all!

[apkarian100]

Yah, it was interesting to see that all the other gears looked untouched. Hell, none of the others were even rounded off on the edges.

[Gearhead Geek]

Now that home I took another look at the pics (on a decent sized screen lol). I still would have a hard time believing that's anything besides impurities in the metal that caused that. I'd definately suggest having them send you some of the broken gears and particles and get them analyzed by a metallurgist (I know a few people through the K-Series days if you're interested and don't know anyone yourself).

Also, hard to tell from the pics, but any damage to the case? It seems ok, but again, low res makes it hard to tell.

[Demetry]

That's alot of metal chunks.... :eek:


No more VTEC for you!!! :D

Yes it is alot. VTEC soon to come.

wow. did they have any input on how/why it would have blown up like that on an easy pull?

Its so far beyond warranty. I dont really care. I knew I was playing with fire and it blew. Sucks for the wallet but I will have something pretty cool very soon:lol:


Yah, it was interesting to see that all the other gears looked untouched. Hell, none of the others were even rounded off on the edges.

Yes, all the gears were in perfect shape, except for 3rd. Thanks for all your help too!

Now that home I took another look at the pics (on a decent sized screen lol). I still would have a hard time believing that's anything besides impurities in the metal that caused that. I'd definately suggest having them send you some of the broken gears and particles and get them analyzed by a metallurgist (I know a few people through the K-Series days if you're interested and don't know anyone yourself).

Also, hard to tell from the pics, but any damage to the case? It seems ok, but again, low res makes it hard to tell.

Yeah, Ive seen other 5spds looking the same as mine. Seems to be the norm. I dont really care enough to send the pieces out to be tested but if you want to I have plenty to spare :rofl: a whole baggie full.

[Evoeater]

your goody bag!!

[Demetry]

Transmission is shipping out today!!!

[civic si hb]

Transmission is shipping out today!!!



Very Nice!!!

[imonmerkur]

Hey, sorry guys, I am not trying to thread jack here, but this seems like the only place I can find that may have an answer to my question. I have a 99 forester that needs a transmission, manual, and was wondering what will fit out of imprezas? impreza stuff is just cheaper than the crazy 99 only forester stuff. is it as simple as just swapping the tranny and a rear diff together? ohh, and thanks for ANY input on this one, I really appreciate it. --shaun--

[Demetry]

UPDATE: PPG STRAIGHT CUT 1-4 GEARS PAID FOR IN FULL AND WILL BE IN TO ANDREWTECH ON WEDNESDAY 4/7. TRANSMISSION SHOULD BE BACK IN MY HANDS BY THE FOLLOWING WEEK.


NOW DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IMONMERKUR??

[civic si hb]

UPDATE: PPG STRAIGHT CUT 1-4 GEARS PAID FOR IN FULL AND WILL BE IN TO ANDREWTECH ON WEDNESDAY 4/7. TRANSMISSION SHOULD BE BACK IN MY HANDS BY THE FOLLOWING WEEK.


NOW DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IMONMERKUR??

Very nice...

Can't wait for a ride in it :)

[98Wagoon]

Hey, sorry guys, I am not trying to thread jack here, but this seems like the only place I can find that may have an answer to my question. I have a 99 forester that needs a transmission, manual, and was wondering what will fit out of imprezas? impreza stuff is just cheaper than the crazy 99 only forester stuff. is it as simple as just swapping the tranny and a rear diff together? ohh, and thanks for ANY input on this one, I really appreciate it. --shaun--


it should. a 5mt was a 5mt back in 99. I dont think there were any differences between leggy, impreza, foz transmissions until later.

[98Wagoon]

also.. f-yeah for PPG's! I expect a full report when they're installed! :lol:

[Demetry]

SMALL UPDATE: Purchsed an ACT HDSS clutch kit and Streetlite flywheel (14LBS) to go with the new transmission. I'm hoping it all gets installed next week. We'll see.

[javasti2004]

gl! u gata take me for a spin when it is let me know if u neeed help installe too.

[shtbxr22]

throw me $100, and i'll install it for you. :D

[Seraphinwolf]

throw me $100, and i'll install it for you. :D

Wanna help install a 6mt and clutch? :)

[shtbxr22]

where/when? do i get paid in food,booze, or money? also, did the 6 speed belong in the car it came out of?

[98Wagoon]

Belonged in the one it came out of.. Not so much the one its going into :lol:

[Seraphinwolf]

I'll text you tomorrow about it rather than clutter Chad's thread.

[civic si hb]

Calling dibs on a ride asap when finished product is installed

[Demetry]

Calling dibs on a ride asap when finished product is installed


Theres going to be a break in period...so I cannot beat on it then. It will be LOUD though :)

[Bu11dogg2]

get it back yet?

[Demetry]

get it back yet?

Nope, its at Andrewtech in MD now, they should be building it this afternoon and or tomorrow...hopefully have it back by beginning of next week. I'll believe it when its on a pallet heading my way though. :unamused:

[drdabbles]

Not too bad. Only 7 days since the gears were supposed to arrive at Andrew. Glad things are slowly coming together!

[Demetry]

Not too bad. Only 7 days since the gears were supposed to arrive at Andrew. Glad things are slowly coming together!


Exactly! He said they get them in 3 days from Australia, late 2 weeks ago, which is when I payed for them in full. So they should have been in on Wednesday of LAST week. I called this Monday for an update and he's like "gears will be in on Wednesday!!" "I'm thinking, wtf???!!" I didn't say anything, they are a great shop and have been great so far, but it always takes longer than expected with these cars shops. (like your FMIC, lol)

So I am keeping the attitude of not knowing when my car will be running again until I call to schedule a truck to pick up. I do not want to think i'm getting it back for next week and be disappointed. So who knows? :lol:

[civic si hb]

Theres going to be a break in period...so I cannot beat on it then. It will be LOUD though :)


That's fine with me....

More curious what they sound and feel like than a beat run :)

What is the break in period on them??

[Demetry]

That's fine with me....

More curious what they sound and feel like than a beat run :)

What is the break in period on them??


Not even sure...I'm sure its probably 500-1000 miles and change the fluid etc...just a guess. I'll find out though. I'll have to do that with the new clutch anyway.

[Bu11dogg2]

Nope, its at Andrewtech in MD now, they should be building it this afternoon and or tomorrow...hopefully have it back by beginning of next week. I'll believe it when its on a pallet heading my way though. :unamused:


I hear they do bang up work :)

[Demetry]

I hear they do bang up work :)

Me too. Thats why I payed more to have them build it, not much more, but more than a few others...and the fact they are closer to us than most others so I save in freight. Almost break even in the end.

[Bu11dogg2]

what was freight?

[Demetry]

what was freight?


$110 for a pallet to MD. Probably the same on the way back.

[Evoeater]

Any updates Chad?

[Demetry]

Any updates Chad?

nope...still waiting.

[Evoeater]

Thats stupid...well at least you prepped yourself mentally for this:unamused:

[drdabbles]

$110 for a pallet to MD. Probably the same on the way back.

:eek: What was the weight they listed for it?! I just had a shipment of 750lbs come in. Freight cost me $80. :lol:

[Demetry]

:eek: What was the weight they listed for it?! I just had a shipment of 750lbs come in. Freight cost me $80. :lol:


IDK, I think I told them it was 200lbs. It was just a pallet rate I have through work. I can ship up to 2500lbs for the same price. It was just as easy to do that. Plus I had them coming in to work that day already anyway. Also, rates vary inbound vs outbound slightly...

[Demetry]

Update: Well I was hoping for a birthday present for next Thursday, but doesn't look like that will come true. My gears were held up in customs for days and are finally being released Monday/Tues of next week. Slim chance ill have it back to me next week now...

[Evoeater]

Update: Well I was hoping for a birthday present for next Thursday, but doesn't look like that will come true. My gears were held up in customs for days and are finally being released Monday/Tues of next week. Slim chance ill have it back to me next week now...

:unamused:

[Demetry]

Gears are in, but they are backed up with 17 transmission jobs now. Sounds like it will be an additional week before they even touch my transmission. Not too pleased.

[Gearhead Geek]

Gears are in, but they are backed up with 17 transmission jobs now. Sounds like it will be an additional week before they even touch my transmission. Not too pleased.

Geez. Hate to say it but that's kinda poor customer service. You'd think since you've been waiting so long and with the custom's issues they'd bump you to the front.

[drdabbles]

Boo

[civic si hb]

Geez. Hate to say it but that's kinda poor customer service. You'd think since you've been waiting so long and with the custom's issues they'd bump you to the front.

Yeah i was thinking the same thing....

So if there is 17 trans, what number are you in line 3 or 17 for an example???

[Gearhead Geek]

This reminds me of when Kelly & I went and applied for our morgate pre-approval a few weeks back.
If it's anything like that, you should call them up, say you want to cancel
their services, and like magic it'll be done in 2 hours :lol:

[Demetry]

Geez. Hate to say it but that's kinda poor customer service. You'd think since you've been waiting so long and with the custom's issues they'd bump you to the front.

Boo

Yeah i was thinking the same thing....

So if there is 17 trans, what number are you in line 3 or 17 for an example???

This reminds me of when Kelly & I went and applied for our morgate pre-approval a few weeks back.
If it's anything like that, you should call them up, say you want to cancel
their services, and like magic it'll be done in 2 hours :lol:


well it sucks, but sorta what I thought would happen. Technically I guess they didnt receive the gears until today, so it is what it is. Running a business myself, I understand how easy and fast things can get behind. I feel pretty confident it will be done next week, but he said to call back to check in later this week to see. I just want my damn car back on the road. The truck is getting a little boring, need to mix it up.

[Demetry]

So I Left 2 voicemails since last Friday looking for a update and no call back or message yet. Starting to get annoyed. Hopefully they're too busy building my transmission!!!!

Will update once I hear more.

[Gearhead Geek]

So I Left 2 voicemails since last Friday looking for a update and no call back or message yet. Starting to get annoyed. Hopefully they're too busy building my transmission!!!!

Will update once I hear more.

Wow. That's getting kinda ridiculous. Any word from them today?

[Demetry]

Wow. That's getting kinda ridiculous. Any word from them today?


Transmission should be done in the next few days. Spoke to them today. Probably not until next week (realistically, although he said Friday of thi week) but thats a move in the right direction. I'll be very happy i they get it done like they said and I have it back early/mid next week.

[civic si hb]

Transmission should be done in the next few days. Spoke to them today. Probably not until next week (realistically, although he said Friday of thi week) but thats a move in the right direction. I'll be very happy i they get it done like they said and I have it back early/mid next week.



Good News!!! :)

[Demetry]

Good News!!! :)


yes it is

[Gearhead Geek]

Transmission should be done in the next few days. Spoke to them today. Probably not until next week (realistically, although he said Friday of thi week) but thats a move in the right direction. I'll be very happy i they get it done like they said and I have it back early/mid next week.

Sweet, good to hear. Saw your car again today. That thing needs to be back on the road. Maybe you'll get lucky and you'll be able to make the photoshoot meet after all :D

[Demetry]

Sweet, good to hear. Saw your car again today. That thing needs to be back on the road. Maybe you'll get lucky and you'll be able to make the photoshoot meet after all :D


shhhhhhhhhh

[DHGurs]

This week maybe?

[Demetry]

This week maybe?


based on what they told me last week, yes.

[drdabbles]

Oh God man, I'm getting antsy for you!!

[Berge56]

Nice I look forward to your review of the PPG's!

[civic si hb]

Nice I look forward to your review of the PPG's!


I hope it's the balls and works well for him :)

If so that's the route I'll end up taking too.

[Demetry]

JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH ANDREWTECH. IT IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT AND SHOULD BE READY THIS AFTERNOON FOR PICK UP!!!!!

[Evoeater]

NASTYYYYYY!!!! WOOT WOOT!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! YEEEEEHAAAAAWWWW!!!!!! BAAANGGG BAAANGG!!!!! OMG!!!!!!:lol: :D :) :rofl: :eek: :devil: :cool:

[civic si hb]

JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH ANDREWTECH. IT IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT AND SHOULD BE READY THIS AFTERNOON FOR PICK UP!!!!!



Hell ya!!!

NED here we come!!! :lol:

Can't wait to get a ride in this :)

[Demetry]

Hell ya!!!

NED here we come!!! :lol:

Can't wait to get a ride in this :)


bring your ear plugs :lol:


CONFIRMED, IT HAS BEEN PICKED UP. FINALLY!!! IT WILL BE BACK IN MY HANDS TOMORROW. HOPEFULLY INSTALL IT THIS WEEK.

[DHGurs]

Good to hear! Can't wait to hear it!


http://www.mindspring.com/%7Eboycekb/images/Smilies/BaconDance.gif

[Gearhead Geek]

bring your ear plugs :lol:


CONFIRMED, IT HAS BEEN PICKED UP. FINALLY!!! IT WILL BE BACK IN MY HANDS TOMORROW. HOPEFULLY INSTALL IT THIS WEEK.

Sweet. Glad to hear it's gonna be back on the road soon. :)
Got some uppipe gaskets on the way too? :lol:

[Bu11dogg2]

Good to hear! Can't wait to hear it!


http://www.mindspring.com/%7Eboycekb/images/Smilies/BaconDance.gif
:lol:

[Demetry]

transmission should be in my car tomorrow pending any install disasters.

[civic si hb]

transmission should be in my car tomorrow pending any install disasters.


Can't wait!!!

[Evoeater]

updates? haha