Oscar_Meyer
08-27-2009, 08:24 AM
AS many of U know I pick at my car and its weak spot... the turbocharger which has blown up twice in under 6k... I have total faith in my builder and the people working on my car, I have lost faith in a few parts suppkier though...
PEople like HKS, Garrett and Mitusbishi all produce turbo chargers...They are Huge momgo corporations employing a tremendous talent pool of designers & engineers that are all backed up by zillion dollar manufacturing facilities. They have also been in the business for of producing these units for quite a while...
Enter the upstarts...
There is a rash of secondary companies such as the the one I dealt with...Deadbolt Enterprises. They essentially take these brand new turbo's crack them open and rework to what they feel is a better design for a premium. BY doing this U are now open to the trials and tribulations of a small company (just like deadbolt who is now gone) and how they flow... I know I am living it!
I look at something like this from GArrett.
http://www.turbofittings.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=T&Product_Code=80-000-005
It is a beautiful unit made by a honeywell owned company... these guys probably have a slight clue as to what they are doing, phenominal R&D, fantastic testing and the turbo is rated to deal with over 500 HP...RIGHT OUTTA THE BOX...
For a premium I can send this brand new, under warranty unit made by a multi-million dollar public company and send it to a 5000 SF buidling where five poeople work. They will open the turbo (voiding ANY waarranty), tear it down and then tell U exactly how this they can better a multi-trillion $$$ publically held company with more Engineers that Worcester Poly Tech and Rochester poly tech combined...
I have recently seen a early picture of one turbo-modifiers facility via a friend in the biz. He is machining on a lathe that looks like something my grandfather had, using very old looking Starrett gauges (may not B calibrated) and in the case of the picture I saw: The owner working a turbo fan on the lathe was barefoot and standing on a dirt floor......I amtrying to get a copy of the pic but they wont release it to me for a variety of reasons.
What I am getting at is value... For an upcharge I can squeeze somw more horsies out of my car, void a perfectly good warranty and IMHO give a piece and faith to someone who may or may not have been around for that long.
Does anyone else see where I am going with this? I am into deadbolt for an awful lot of $$$ and all I have to show is ZERO boost and a turbocharger that is like udders on a bull... this is all within 5k miles of being new..
Seriously... my car is built to the hilt (something I regret) and designed to withstand alot of boost and horsepower... DO U really think I will suffer THAT much by using a totally stock unit designed for the HP I need or should I strap it on, pay the premium, get the extra horsies and pray to God that whomever does the work is NOT going anywhere and wont do the Shenanigans crap that deadbolt did.
I am having a terribly hard time justifying the customization, porting, polishing of my new turbocharger...
How much more do U pay for those extra horsies? Can the cost of it really B justified for a street car?
before U answer please keep this in mind... The picture below is my current deadbolt unit. Under 5k miles with two meltdowns, Deadbolt is ded, I am ****ed for a new turbo..
http://www.newenglandsubarus.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=114&pictureid=875
My MEsa has more turbo boost than the deadbolt...:rofl:
PEople like HKS, Garrett and Mitusbishi all produce turbo chargers...They are Huge momgo corporations employing a tremendous talent pool of designers & engineers that are all backed up by zillion dollar manufacturing facilities. They have also been in the business for of producing these units for quite a while...
Enter the upstarts...
There is a rash of secondary companies such as the the one I dealt with...Deadbolt Enterprises. They essentially take these brand new turbo's crack them open and rework to what they feel is a better design for a premium. BY doing this U are now open to the trials and tribulations of a small company (just like deadbolt who is now gone) and how they flow... I know I am living it!
I look at something like this from GArrett.
http://www.turbofittings.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=T&Product_Code=80-000-005
It is a beautiful unit made by a honeywell owned company... these guys probably have a slight clue as to what they are doing, phenominal R&D, fantastic testing and the turbo is rated to deal with over 500 HP...RIGHT OUTTA THE BOX...
For a premium I can send this brand new, under warranty unit made by a multi-million dollar public company and send it to a 5000 SF buidling where five poeople work. They will open the turbo (voiding ANY waarranty), tear it down and then tell U exactly how this they can better a multi-trillion $$$ publically held company with more Engineers that Worcester Poly Tech and Rochester poly tech combined...
I have recently seen a early picture of one turbo-modifiers facility via a friend in the biz. He is machining on a lathe that looks like something my grandfather had, using very old looking Starrett gauges (may not B calibrated) and in the case of the picture I saw: The owner working a turbo fan on the lathe was barefoot and standing on a dirt floor......I amtrying to get a copy of the pic but they wont release it to me for a variety of reasons.
What I am getting at is value... For an upcharge I can squeeze somw more horsies out of my car, void a perfectly good warranty and IMHO give a piece and faith to someone who may or may not have been around for that long.
Does anyone else see where I am going with this? I am into deadbolt for an awful lot of $$$ and all I have to show is ZERO boost and a turbocharger that is like udders on a bull... this is all within 5k miles of being new..
Seriously... my car is built to the hilt (something I regret) and designed to withstand alot of boost and horsepower... DO U really think I will suffer THAT much by using a totally stock unit designed for the HP I need or should I strap it on, pay the premium, get the extra horsies and pray to God that whomever does the work is NOT going anywhere and wont do the Shenanigans crap that deadbolt did.
I am having a terribly hard time justifying the customization, porting, polishing of my new turbocharger...
How much more do U pay for those extra horsies? Can the cost of it really B justified for a street car?
before U answer please keep this in mind... The picture below is my current deadbolt unit. Under 5k miles with two meltdowns, Deadbolt is ded, I am ****ed for a new turbo..
http://www.newenglandsubarus.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=114&pictureid=875
My MEsa has more turbo boost than the deadbolt...:rofl: