Laptop "tuning"

[squeethebee]

Does anyone around western MA load off the shelf maps into ECU's?

Are they enough so you can drive around while waiting to be tuned? Or should you just use them to get to the tuner?

I am teh suck at computers and don't really know about this, other than its possible. What are any restrictions with what you can do? Please, learn me, and others who I'm sure are scared to come forward with the n00bism about the subject.

BTW, I think I would need something along the lines of a "stage 3" map. POSSIBLY "stage 4", but more than likely the first one.:eek:

Thanks.

ed

[squeethebee]

Lunch at China Gourmet for anyone that can, and will do it for me!!

ed

[squeethebee]

Also, could I get launch control from something like that???

ed

[Seraphinwolf]

For the bigeye swap right? Talk with Kevin kjg996 I think is his screenname. I would love to learn to!!!!!

[squeethebee]

Well, thats why I made the thread, and didn't just handle it through PM's. I am actually starting to read up on it on other sites. Any relevant info will be placed here... maybe!

ed

[Seraphinwolf]

Well, thats why I made the thread, and didn't just handle it through PM's. I am actually starting to read up on it on other sites. Any relevant info will be placed here... maybe!

ed

I cam lend you a very good book on it. I've read through it cover to cover at least 3 times now and it's very informative. Since ally tuning will ne standalone this little training seminar will be more for fun and for reference on open source stuff and othe kinds of setups.

[Pulski]

I ran off the shelf Stage 2 on my wagon for years and it was great. It all depends on if you can find a map for your setup or not.

http://www.osecuroms.org/

[Pulski]

If you list the car and mod list, I can tell you more. I have all the equipment for it.

[Dark-V]

Off the shelf maps are usually stage 1 through 2.5. Since most stage 3 and up setups are mostly unique, each tune is probably unique to that car. Of course you could get one of those maps and just dial down the boost and pull some timing so things don't go kaboom, but then you'd need to know how to do that tuning...

It's also dependent on the car itself. I know EcuFlash won't work with older cars, so you'd need to check to see if the software and hardware is compatible with your ECU.
http://www.openecu.org/index.php?title=EcuFlash:VehicleSupport

RomRaider has a forum that deals specifically with base maps for a bunch of cars and years. However, those are user created, and might not be completely safe for your specific car. Read ALL of the comments before considering touching one of those maps. Also, if a specific map you're looking at is built into another version of the ECU, you will NEED to pull your ECU ROM and copy all the values into it. NEVER put someone else's ROM on your car unless it's the SAME version.
http://www.romraider.com/forum/forum26.html

*edit*
Yes I'm using a premade map from someone on RomRaider. Stage 2 map on my LGT. It's been pulling a little timing, that's just because I don't have a true downpipe, just a gutted one.

Once you flash your ECU, LOG everything. It'll show you if the timing needs to be pulled cause you're knocking or what not.

[squeethebee]

If you list the car and mod list, I can tell you more. I have all the equipment for it.

certain:
2.0
3in dp
EL header/up-pipe
walbro 255lph

unsure of:
top mount or front mount
injector size(probably 565)
td04 or vf39

I'll update when I figure out more.

ed

[squeethebee]

It's also dependent on the car itself. I know EcuFlash won't work with older cars, so you'd need to check to see if the software and hardware is compatible with your ECU.
http://www.openecu.org/index.php?title=EcuFlash:VehicleSupport

Isn't it just dependent on the ECU? Its an 02 wrx ecu.


*edit*
Yes I'm using a premade map from someone on RomRaider. Stage 2 map on my LGT. It's been pulling a little timing, that's just because I don't have a true downpipe, just a gutted one.

Ooh, so there ARE LGT stg2 maps!! My cousin was looking for one to get him by until he can get dyno-tuned, but couldn't find one. Finally will have no more excuses for putting his downpipe on.:D

ed

[Dark-V]

certain:
2.0
3in dp
EL header/up-pipe
walbro 255lph

unsure of:
top mount or front mount
injector size(probably 565)
td04 or vf39

I'll update when I figure out more.

ed

You NEED to know the injector size, and probably the turbo too. The injector scaling needs to be tuned according to the flow or you'll either be dumping too much gas (not as bad) or not putting enough in (REALLY FRIGGIN BAD). If you have the STi injectors and a VF39, then there should be PLENTY of "STi swap" tunes out there to get you along till the tuner gets at it.

[Dark-V]

Isn't it just dependent on the ECU? Its an 02 wrx ecu.ed

It is based on ECU, but some older ECUs, even being OBD2, I couldn't read them, like my friends 1998 2.5RS



Ooh, so there ARE LGT stg2 maps!! My cousin was looking for one to get him by until he can get dyno-tuned, but couldn't find one. Finally will have no more excuses for putting his downpipe on.:D

ed

Yup, I'd recommend MickeyD's stage 2, but ONLY if you meet his criteria exactly. If not, go for Thorne's Stage 2, since it's based off of MickeyD's stage 1.

[kgj996]

Do you have a wb o2? This will be necessary if you want to tune beyond a ots stg 2. If you send me a list of your mods I can send you a map to start from.

[squeethebee]

You NEED to know the injector size, and probably the turbo too. The injector scaling needs to be tuned according to the flow or you'll either be dumping too much gas (not as bad) or not putting enough in (REALLY FRIGGIN BAD). If you have the STi injectors and a VF39, then there should be PLENTY of "STi swap" tunes out there to get you along till the tuner gets at it.

The reason I don't know the size yet is because I haven't decided which injectors to run yet. Motor isn't in the car yet, so its no rush, just don't want to be finding this stuff out AFTER the swap is complete.:)

ed

[squeethebee]

Do you have a wb o2? This will be necessary if you want to tune beyond a ots stg 2. If you send me a list of your mods I can send you a map to start from.

I was considering getting the AEM from subimods, its like $235! Unless you know of a possibly better one, for around the same, or less money?

Once motor is complete, I'll be able to send you a mod list.

You got one for an 05 LGT 5eat with cat-less uppipe and turbo back and a sri?

ed

[Pulski]

Yes I'm using a premade map from someone on RomRaider. Stage 2 map on my LGT. It's been pulling a little timing, that's just because I don't have a true downpipe, just a gutted one.

Once you flash your ECU, LOG everything. It'll show you if the timing needs to be pulled cause you're knocking or what not.

Where'd you get that from? I couldn't find one anywhere when I was trying to find one for another member.

[RCKSTR]

Lunch at China Gourmet for anyone that can, and will do it for me!!

ed

can I join in on this feast :spin:

[squeethebee]

can I join in on this feast :spin:

LOL, I guess so. But only if you find me a WRX wagon x-member.:D

ed

[RCKSTR]

LOL, I guess so. But only if you find me a WRX wagon x-member.:D

ed
so it does have to be a wagon x-member? or would a sedan one fit into the older gc chassis no matter if its coupe, sedan or wagon?? I know this other "guy" who is looking for a mint x-member aswell. I'll find you one first though :D

[Seraphinwolf]

so it does have to be a wagon x-member? or would a sedan one fit into the older gc chassis no matter if its coupe, sedan or wagon?? I know this other "guy" who is looking for a mint x-member aswell. I'll find you one first though :D
I don't see why thhe Wagon would have a different Xmember. There isn't any difference at the hearders and piping is there?

[squeethebee]

It has to do with the width, sedans have a wider track, hence the wider fenders. I would need to shim control arms if I found a sedan one.

Plus, I don't have stock headers!!:)

ed

[RCKSTR]

It has to do with the width, sedans have a wider track, hence the wider fenders. I would need to shim control arms if I found a sedan one.

ed
hmmm

[Seraphinwolf]

So go wider stance. It's not that much difference. A little pull and maybe a roll and you are BAAAALLLLLIIIIINNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kgj996]

For wbo2s, I would get something compatible with romraider( LC-1, ect). They list what they can log on their website. If you can't log your afrs along with your other parameters side by side than it is almost useless to tune with.

[Dark-V]

Where'd you get that from? I couldn't find one anywhere when I was trying to find one for another member.
Here is MickeyD's Legacy GT stage 2:
http://www.romraider.com/forum/topic4468.html

Here is Thorne's Legacy GT stage 2:
http://www.romraider.com/forum/topic3986.html

I'm currently running Thorne's map in my car at 16.5 PSI.


For wbo2s, I would get something compatible with romraider( LC-1, ect). They list what they can log on their website. If you can't log your afrs along with your other parameters side by side than it is almost useless to tune with.
I used to have the LC-1 on my last car, and my only gripe with it is that it's Serial and not native USB. I want to put a carputer in, but I want everything to be integrated. But for the normal, laptop datalogging, the LC-1 is awesome. I highly recommend it.

[squeethebee]

I used to have the LC-1 on my last car, and my only gripe with it is that it's Serial and not native USB. I want to put a carputer in, but I want everything to be integrated. But for the normal, laptop datalogging, the LC-1 is awesome. I highly recommend it.

What does it mean, being serial vs native USB?

And so the AEM doesn't like romraider?

ed

[Pulski]

Different port. Many computers don't even have a Serial port anymore.

[squeethebee]

AH!

So let me guess, the AEM is usb, but won't work with RomRaider?:unamused:

ed

[squeethebee]

After reading, I essentially decided on doing this as well. http://www.newenglandsubarus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4522&highlight=delete

Anyone know of a wideband o2 that likes laptop tuning, and is not cereal port?

ed

[Dark-V]

What does it mean, being serial vs native USB?

And so the AEM doesn't like romraider?

ed

The issue is that if you had a serial to USB converter, you would need to re-plug it in every time. So if you had a carputer (where everything is integrated) it wouldn't work unless you unplugged and replugged it in every time you wanted to data log. It's a small thing for most people.

But for normal data logging with a laptop or something, it's fine.

[squeethebee]

The issue is that if you had a serial to USB converter, you would need to re-plug it in every time. So if you had a carputer (where everything is integrated) it wouldn't work unless you unplugged and replugged it in every time you wanted to data log. It's a small thing for most people.

But for normal data logging with a laptop or something, it's fine.

Has anyone ever told you how helpful you are?:D

So from what I'm seeing, the AEM seems to have a lot less problems, or am I crazy? But the problems I would have running the wbo2 would be what??

Can't datalog?

and thats all I can think of, lol, please help out again!

ed

[Dark-V]

I've only used the LC-1, but I haven't had any issues with the wideband itself. All the extra's you can get from innovate though... yeesh it took me a while to set it all up.
All you need to do for the wide band, is wire it all up. Before you install it in the exhaust, turn it on and do the free air calibration, install it and you're done.

Also, if you do use either wideband and you NEED a USB connection. You can go to stores like Best Buy and Microcenter and pick up a Serial to USB converter. There is just one trick when you use it.

Get the converter, plug it in, install the software and then you can plug in the wideband. And in the future, plug in the converter with the computer on and THEN plug in the wideband to the converter. I've had MANY times where I was like... "WTF it worked just fine two seconds ago!" and it was that.

[Subygirl8330]

I bought a 50 off the shelf map for my vf39 & pinks upgrade, it worked fairly well for months until i finally got a real tune. And I flashed it onto my car.

[Dark-V]

Most maps made for the masses are typically less aggressive so they can work on a range of cars. Open source tunes you have to watch out though, sometimes they are aggressive to make the most power.

An OTS (off the shelf) map should be a good temporary solution until you get protuned or street tuned. Whichever you go with.

[squeethebee]

Most maps made for the masses are typically less aggressive so they can work on a range of cars. Open source tunes you have to watch out though, sometimes they are aggressive to make the most power.

An OTS (off the shelf) map should be a good temporary solution until you get protuned or street tuned. Whichever you go with.


I think this right here was the most helpful post all thread. It was essentially answering my first questrion, so I appreciate it!

ed

[squeethebee]

So I downloaded Rom-Raider (and ECUFlash), and have been looking on the romraider forums trying to find a map that will work to get my car running before I get it dyno tuned. I gotta say, I'm not finding much, I think by doing so many mods right away, I've slightly F'ed myself in the A:lol:

Crap. That is all.

ed

[RCKSTR]

So I downloaded Rom-Raider (and ECUFlash), and have been looking on the romraider forums trying to find a map that will work to get my car running before I get it dyno tuned. I gotta say, I'm not finding much, I think by doing so many mods right away, I've slightly F'ed myself in the A:lol:

Crap. That is all.

ed
No you haven't, you can barrow
my map till ya get tuned:)

[squeethebee]

Hmm, we should compare mods tomorrow, it may actually be quite close.

ed

[RCKSTR]

Hmm, we should compare mods tomorrow, it may actually be quite close.

ed

Yep same turbo, injectors, fuel pump, turbo inlet, ect ect ect lol

[squeethebee]

Headers? Intake? Intercooler? I think it should be "close enough", you know?

ed

[RCKSTR]

It'll be fine fill you get dyno tuned. You'll be able to get all the bugs out beforehand ;)

[Pulski]

So I downloaded Rom-Raider (and ECUFlash), and have been looking on the romraider forums trying to find a map that will work to get my car running before I get it dyno tuned. I gotta say, I'm not finding much, I think by doing so many mods right away, I've slightly F'ed myself in the A:lol:

Crap. That is all.

ed

PM BG @ Brentuning

http://www.newenglandsubarus.com/forums/member.php?u=1153

He hasn't been posting for some reason, but he does good work and it's very inexpensive.

[RCKSTR]

PM BG @ Brentuning

http://www.newenglandsubarus.com/forums/member.php?u=1153

He hasn't been posting for some reason, but he does good work and it's very inexpensive.

What are his rates? I need to get tuned and would like to do so before snow...

[squeethebee]

What are his rates? I need to get tuned and would like to do so before snow...

+1, any info on this Pulski?

ed

[Rokkit]

I have a buddy of mine who tunes all my JDM and US Motors I build/rebuild/swap. Awesome tuner (tuned gling's car as well) - Chem E out of Uconn who really knows the science behind it.

he might be able to help, we're located in central CT.

[Pulski]

What are his rates? I need to get tuned and would like to do so before snow...

+1, any info on this Pulski?

ed


I'll let him speak for himself, as I'd only be going on what he said last time we met up, and I don't know if anything has changed. I'll fire you both PMs though.

[Pulski]

I have a buddy of mine who tunes all my JDM and US Motors I build/rebuild/swap. Awesome tuner (tuned gling's car as well) - Chem E out of Uconn who really knows the science behind it.

he might be able to help, we're located in central CT.

Gling's car got redone at EFI at Super Meet 2 and they got quite a bit more power out of it. :)

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Sorry for the delay, I'm here and paying attention to this thread. I'll go back and answer questions the best I can.

My rates start at $150 :)

[squeethebee]

Thanks man. Essentially I was under the impression my car would come out of the garage too modified for an off the shelf map.

ed

[Pulski]

^^ Yeah, pretty much. Brendan's a great way to fix that problem. :)

[BG @ BrenTuning]

What is your mod list? I'll see if I have an off the shelf for it. If not I'm sure I could make something or do some email swapping with you to get it right. :)

B

[RCKSTR]

Ed I think we've found our tuner...

[squeethebee]

Ed I think we've found our tuner...

Hells yeah!

What is your mod list? I'll see if I have an off the shelf for it. If not I'm sure I could make something or do some email swapping with you to get it right. :)

B

Umm, let me see...

'02 wrx 2.0
equal length header/up pipe
vf39
3" catless turbo back
perrin turbo inlet
AEM sri (looking for a cobb though)
565cc DW injectors (not bought yet, considering 650cc)
TGV's deleted
8mm Phenolic gaskets
BIG tmic

Can't really think of anything else that would effect the tune. I think it's somewhere between "stg3" & "stg4", not really sure how the stages thing works :lol: Seems like once you pass stg2, there isn't really a set in stone way of modding.

ed

[BG @ BrenTuning]

Hey Ed,

I've tuned so many of those setups that it's not a big deal as far as an off the shelf map.

While you are sorting and driving the car around on break in and checking for leaks. I would suggest running the stock airbox if you have it. Maf scaling for an aftermarket intake can be different from car to car.

And also if you plan on staying with that size turbo I'd skip the 650s, stock sti pink 565's or 07 wrx/sti 550s with a pump are fine and tend to be a little easier and more consistent to dial in depending on brand. If you planned on upgrading the turbo skip the 650s and move higher anyways.

Long story short - I have what you need for that for sure.

[squeethebee]

I wouldn't be going to a bigger turbo till I build up my other block, so 565's it is! Good to know. I don't have a stock WRX airbox, but I guess I can try and find one. I have heard the Cobb short ram intake is the most consistent, that's why I was looking for one, any comment on that?

ed

[RCKSTR]

I wouldn't be going to a bigger turbo till I build up my other block, so 565's it is! Good to know. I don't have a stock WRX airbox, but I guess I can try and find one. I have heard the Cobb short ram intake is the most consistent, that's why I was looking for one, any comment on that?

ed

Ed you're joking right? I've got 3 or 4 of the stock intakes :lol: for real.

[squeethebee]

I was not joking, I didn't know that:lol:

Why do you have so many, you have 1 Subaru!!

ed

[RCKSTR]

I was not joking, I didn't know that:lol:

Why do you have so many, you have 1 Subaru!!

ed
sending pm to you my friend, don't want to clutter up this thread anymore than I allready have :lol: