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Nate8409
06-24-2008, 10:05 PM
What is faster to you? A 500 Horsepower NA or a 500 Horsepower forced induction car?
ill be in plymouth. I see some NAs in that pix.. i dont know how u figure they are the fastest cars in NE.
500 NA. but what about a 500 hp electric car?
method
06-25-2008, 12:40 AM
What is faster to you? A 500 Horsepower NA or a 500 Horsepower forced induction car?
You can't base acceleration/velocity on just power...
AllWheelsDriven
06-25-2008, 01:15 AM
that was only 20 out of about 75 cars that went..... the only few who wanted to hit up hurricane mountain road which is amazing i might add
Nate8409
06-25-2008, 02:00 AM
Details excluded. With just this information you can come to a conclusion. At least I feel I can at least.
You can't base acceleration/velocity on just power...
f1vlad
06-25-2008, 02:28 AM
Details excluded. With just this information you can come to a conclusion. At least I feel I can at least.
And what kinda ignorant person one has to be to state that NA car is slower than Turbo car. :spin::(
FreakBurrito
06-25-2008, 08:50 AM
500HP turbo charged car that weighs 2500lbs will be "faster" then a 500HP NA that weighs 4000lbs. Of course you'd have to determine what "faster" means.
TurboRush
06-25-2008, 09:18 AM
500HP turbo charged car that weighs 2500lbs will be "faster" then a 500HP NA that weighs 4000lbs. Of course you'd have to determine what "faster" means.
Ok.. and a 500hp NA car weight 2500lbs would be faster than a 500hp turbo weighing 4000lbs.
:confused:
Bu11dogg2
06-25-2008, 11:00 AM
Ok.. and a 500hp NA car weight 2500lbs would be faster than a 500hp turbo weighing 4000lbs.
:confused:
There are many factors that weigh into that.
AWD, tires, drivetrain, axles.... transmission....
You really can't compare unless you have two like cars.
TurboRush
06-25-2008, 11:09 AM
So basically, I was saying "no ****" to FreakyB's comment, I didn't understand the point he was trying to make... unless it was better power to weight ratio = faster.
jonny-rockets
06-25-2008, 11:23 AM
lol i love these threads lately where we nit pick over the specifics of each others remarks.
i don't really know a TON about this stuff, but,
1) isn't HP a rate at which you have access to power?
2) how would you make the call without knowing torque and vehicle weight too?
Bu11dogg2
06-25-2008, 11:36 AM
Another good question is how the HP of the car is measured.
Nate8409
06-25-2008, 11:47 AM
The comment was simplistic for a reason.
If you start factoring in a billion reasons like where the horsepower is what it has for torque etc etc etc you will never come to a standard answer. Because displacement, fuel consumption, weight, drivetrain, gearing. They all start coming into play.
How about this instead.
SAME EXACT CAR. One car has 350 horsepower NA and the other has 400 turbo horsepower.
Use your O PINION and/or car knowledge and choose one. Just knowing one is NA and one is Turbo sends you in certain directions about gearing.
Bu11dogg2
06-25-2008, 12:20 PM
How about this instead.
SAME EXACT CAR. One car has 350 horsepower NA and the other has 400 turbo horsepower.
Use your O PINION and/or car knowledge and choose one. Just knowing one is NA and one is Turbo sends you in certain directions about gearing.
still too broad :(
Do both run on the same octane?
Which turbo? (spool rate)
what size motor? (pre-boost power)
Is the car 350WHP stock or does the NA have mods?
starhm
06-25-2008, 12:37 PM
you guys make my head hurt...:spin:
how heavy is the driver?
what altitude is this test taking place?
is one car going uphill while the other downhill?
are there hills?
is there a tail wind?
what are we talking about?:rofl:
method
06-25-2008, 12:57 PM
and who said it has to be turbo, the original comment was made about 'forced induction' it could be supercharged!
Nate8409
06-25-2008, 12:58 PM
There are supposed to be no details because it would make it rediculious.
The simple fact is difference in power type. Ignore other factors.
Next someone will say does the car have nitrous. Which one is more aerodynamic. Which one have more oil in the pan. Is one dry sump?
Was the test calculate with teh a/c on? How much freon does the ac system hold. Does one have a larger radiator? WHere is the steering rack located? Does it have rear steering? Multilink suspension? Double wishbone? Are the control arms made of titanium on the Turbo car? What kind of oil does teh car use? Is the turbo a magic turbo and efficient from 1000rpm to 15000rpm? Does the NA car have a turbo power curve? Does the Turbo car have an NA power curve?
Does the Turbo car have a Nascar engine but it's turbocharged? It is twin turbo? Is the engine made by toyota or mitsubishi?
Ignore all the factors that can influence this ****.
The simple fact is a turbo and NA car have different power curves. Different throttle responses. Different impacts on gearing. Different torques.
I will say right now I would take the NA hands down all day long.
starhm
06-25-2008, 01:03 PM
ooooohh, i forgot about the a/c...
line em up and race em...that is all.
TurboRush
06-25-2008, 02:47 PM
Did I take a huge **** that morning? that will influence the power to weight big time.
jonny-rockets
06-25-2008, 03:03 PM
lol beautiful comment, turborush
banned4life
06-25-2008, 05:27 PM
SAME EXACT CAR. One car has 350 horsepower NA and the other has 400 turbo horsepower.
how can it be the same exact car if one is 350hp NA and the other is 400HP turbo?
maybe its an invisible turbo like when people were using tractix to put wrx maps on their RSs:rofl:
how about these questions...
is the turbo a diesel?
who is driving the car?
how many home brews did they have before driving?
is it a 5EAT or 5mt?
how are u measuring "fast"ness? 0-60? 0-100? 0-20? distance?
i say shut down this thread. my post was taken out of context. i still feel that a 70 car caravan is just plain stupid dangerous regardless of the speed that vehicles are travelling or how much power they have. but wait.. who was talking about a caravan? oh yah, someone decided to take my post out of context and make an OP out of it.
Robk0000
06-25-2008, 05:31 PM
All im going to say is that i will find out in my car very shortly, how a turbo feels compared to NA in a GC...leave it at that.
banned4life
06-25-2008, 05:34 PM
All im going to say is that i will find out in my car very shortly, how a turbo feels compared to NA in a GC...leave it at that.
read the OP. it has nothing to do with turbos or NAs. now we have a real topic to discuss :rofl:
how bout this...
Everything is EXACTLY the same in two car except one has a turbo and one is NA. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE DIFFERENT, same driver, same weight, some about of piss and ****, no a/c. Just the same exact everything, except NA vs turbo. what would win 0-100mph? all my money is on the NA...
i was wondering what happened to the post in the other thread...
Robk0000
06-25-2008, 08:04 PM
this thread sucks...
method
06-25-2008, 08:06 PM
how bout this...
Everything is EXACTLY the same in two car except one has a turbo and one is NA. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE DIFFERENT, same driver, same weight, some about of piss and ****, no a/c. Just the same exact everything, except NA vs turbo. what would win 0-100mph? all my money is on the NA...
That is a lame comparison. Because for a NA to get 500hp and a turbo vehicle to get 500hp, the NA would most likely weigh more due to requiring more displacement.
Robk0000
06-25-2008, 08:20 PM
my hyperspace tritium Magnetron technology motor would own all.
Nate8409
06-25-2008, 08:46 PM
So is mine.
how bout this...
Everything is EXACTLY the same in two car except one has a turbo and one is NA. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE DIFFERENT, same driver, same weight, some about of piss and ****, no a/c. Just the same exact everything, except NA vs turbo. what would win 0-100mph? all my money is on the NA...
rogerdugans
06-25-2008, 10:40 PM
Which is heavier:
a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers?
banned4life
06-25-2008, 11:00 PM
can we please keep this on topic. read the OP
method
06-25-2008, 11:01 PM
Which is heavier:
a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers?
What does that have to do with anything? We were rating power, not weight.
Skidder
06-25-2008, 11:44 PM
For those that think NA is faster... here is food for thought.
My Example: The last generation BMW M3 has 333hp and typical a NA power curve. The new (turbo) 335i has only 300hp, and it just so happens to have an amazingly flat forced induction power curve. They cover 0-60 and 1/4 mile almost identically.
How does the 335i with a 33 hp deficit and a few hundred pound handicap even come close to keeping up?
Bu11dogg2
06-26-2008, 09:18 AM
Enough of the OT crap.
seriously, what about a 500 hp electric car? It would kick ass and i would buy one in a heart beat if it was priced comparably to the other cars in it's class!
method
06-29-2008, 05:43 PM
seriously, what about a 500 hp electric car? It would kick ass and i would buy one in a heart beat if it was priced comparably to the other cars in it's class!
If I could get more than 200 miles on a charge...
banned4life
06-29-2008, 10:56 PM
what does this have to do with the price of tea in china?
nothing... but 500+ electric power and 200+ miles range would kick ass!!
Bu11dogg2
11-20-2008, 05:31 PM
nothing... but 500+ electric power and 200+ miles range would kick ass!!
Telsa?
I'd rock one :)
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