Hellaflush dyno results -14 hp -15 ft/lbs

[DHGurs]

:lol:

This was a funny dyno plot I found elsewhere. These runs were done a few weeks apart, but the only thing that changed was the wheels/tires. The weather was within 5 degrees on both days and humidity was the same.

This was a dyno session a customer of ours just did after he swapped out his "hella flush" 18x9.5 Rota DTP's for a set of 17x8 Enkei RPF-1's. This is a BONE stock 09 WRX 5mt. http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp315/DHGURS/Random%20internet/DYNOSHEET3.jpg

[HoetheJoe]

Hella fail! stupid oversized rims ftl!

[Antihero]

further proof that hellaflush is nothing more than a waste of time.

if I want flush, Ill go use a toilet.

[AExiOn]

Does not compare to pedoflush

[yaya]

Funny and interesting at the same time. But, to each his own, some people like to have a certain look and some want every last pony they can squeeze out.

[98Wagoon]

:rofl:

I ****ing despise this herrrrafrush ****. it looks stupid. and now is a waste because you rob yrself of power.. hey, great job! :up:

[Bu11dogg2]

hella flush needs to stay in VW land IMHO

[sweaty]

Funny and interesting at the same time. But, to each his own, some people like to have a certain look and some want every last pony they can squeeze out.

well put. to each his own. but i'll take the ponies, thanks.

hella flush needs to stay in VW land IMHO

it does. they can take the extra rolling mass and cram it.

[DHGurs]

VW brotatos / "wrong fitment crew" = dumb

"Brah guy dude, I'm just pushing the limit, aiming for the skies, your just jealous cause you're not pushing the envelope and innovating, like me and all of my friends, we all have 215/40's on our +14et 9.5" rims, stop being a hater"

Response I get every time when I poke fun at someones stupid poke on the other site. :lol:

[Antihero]

VW brotatos / "wrong fitment crew" = dumb

"Brah guy dude, I'm just pushing the limit, aiming for the skies, your just jealous cause you're not pushing the envelope and innovating, like me and all of my friends, we all have 215/40's on our +14et 9.5" rims, stop being a hater"

Response I get every time when I poke fun at someones stupid poke on the other site. :lol:

exactly.

on the 240 forums I used to catch all sorts of shiza when I criticized that whole thing, its nothing more than a trend, and when it dies, theyll all be jumping on the next one.

[98Wagoon]

VW brotatos / "wrong fitment crew" = dumb

"Brah guy dude, I'm just pushing the limit, aiming for the skies, your just jealous cause you're not pushing the envelope and innovating, like me and all of my friends, we all have 215/40's on our +14et 9.5" rims, stop being a hater"

Response I get every time when I poke fun at someones stupid poke on the other site. :lol:




exactly.

on the 240 forums I used to catch all sorts of shiza when I criticized that whole thing, its nothing more than a trend, and when it dies, theyll all be jumping on the next one.

guy brah you dont know chief. we busted our asses being THIS innovative guy dood chief.. LOOK AT MY WHEELS DOOOOD! brahguy you dont understand how ill this is dood.


:brotato:



KILL IT WITH FIRE!

[DHGurs]

It's sad that those 18x9.5" Rotas are still lighter than my Stock spec-c wheels. :unamused:

[RCKSTR]

:rofl: oh man...

To each their own I guess :)

I just think it's funny they did dyno pulls just because of different wheels...

wishi had a dyno, I'd do pulls all the time just for the **** of it. Ah ****, just put in a different CD... DYNO TIME :spin:

[boxer3maine]

Aren't subes flush anyway? the offset is very small.
That is a famous trait to me. The whole body, the whole wheel well, mimicked a bimmer since the 70s.
the hella flush stuff, I don't understand.

footprint for 2000 pounds over 4 wheel independent still does not see more than 250 pound springs.... why giant wide wheels? can't even gain oe camber designs in simple turns. Making a crazy drifter suicide machine...?
:dunno:
I bet 6 inch wide gains even more...funny enough, there is 6 inch wide taking 1356 pounds weight rating a tire for 50 years. Why is the sube playing american hot rod?

Kids in engineering... go home. Fairy tale is over for the pros, and has been for a long time.
great thread, dyno says it all.

[tehsbean]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/Bean/hellaflush-1.jpg

[KaizenTuning]

HP/TQ loss....

Baller! :rolleyes:

[Joe]

I'm on my way there....

17x7 stockers
18x7 OZ Superleggaras
18x8 ALT 362 Rush
next 18x8.5 Grids

Thank god my car is slow anyway, that way i wont miss it. :lol:

[DHGurs]

Another similar result.

Guy does runs with 17" vs. 18". 17's weigh 145 combined 18's weigh 184.

His best runs of the day using an airboy dyno which factors in differences in tire diameter:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/juanmedina/Reference-HeavyWheelsVSLightWheels.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/juanmedina/Dark-green-heavyaqua-light.jpg

And it was over 100 degrees when he did the light wheel pull. :eek:

[98Wagoon]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Xx10DeepxX]

maybe i should switch back to 17 x 7 instead of 18 x 9.5 =(

[98Wagoon]

Only if you'd like that 15+hp back.... :lol:

[Xx10DeepxX]

lol maaaaybe

[serioussubaru]

So my stock 14's are so full of win I already have like epic power?!?! I like the way this is going. Or maybe it is the other way around. Lose 15hp per inch. So if I am making, lets say 90hp to the wheels and I go to 18's I could be at 30whp?

I see you hating....:D:bacon:

[AExiOn]

you forgot wheel tax

it would come out to 28whp

[serioussubaru]

you forgot wheel tax

it would come out to 28whp
niiiiiice:rofl:

[DHGurs]

Your 14" steelies are actually pretty heavy. A light 16" or 17" wheel is generally accepted as the best trade off for weight/contact patch

[serioussubaru]

Your 14" steelies are actually pretty heavy. A light 16" or 17" wheel is generally accepted as the best trade off for weight/contact patch

Hey I also have very light alloy 14's but may end up on snowflakes or BBS rxII's

[DHGurs]

Get snowflakes!

Or, if you are very concerned about rotational mass, I'd probably get some 15 or 16" RFP1's :wub:

[Seraphinwolf]

Snowflakes are heavy. :(

RFP1's are WIN!!! even a 17x8" only weight in at like 14.albs or something like that.

[Seraphinwolf]

So my stock 14's are so full of win I already have like epic power?!?! I like the way this is going. Or maybe it is the other way around. Lose 15hp per inch. So if I am making, lets say 90hp to the wheels and I go to 18's I could be at 30whp?

I see you hating....:D:bacon:

It's not as much the diameter but the weight it's self. A factory 02-04' WRX wheel (and likely the 05') weight like 16.7lbs at 16x7" and 06-07' 17x7" wheels weight in at 21lbs. BUT I have a set of Konig 18x7.5" that weight in at 21lbs. Notice previously about the Enei RFP1's!

[cman7]

hella flush needs to stay in VW land IMHO

Damn it Randy, NoooooooOOO!

Hella Flush needs to go away period. It's a waste of a perfectly good car. I can't even count how many rusted fenders there are on "flushed" cars that are ruined from continuous tire abrasion.

[yaya]

^Good reminder. I need to touch up my fender asap.

[Bu11dogg2]

^Good reminder. I need to touch up my fender asap.


you are not hellaflush

[yaya]

you are not hellaflush

Nope, just kindaflush. But I do need to touch up my fender, so it is in fact a good reminder.

[javasti2004]

the average is more with the rims or am i reading it wrong?

[Antihero]

i need to roll my rears, just so I can fit my snows without rubbing around turns hahahaha

[98Wagoon]

the average is more with the rims or am i reading it wrong?


reading it wrong. with the larger, silly looking wheel setup he lost 15whp. which is quite a bit of hp lost for just trying to look cool..

[javasti2004]

reading it wrong. with the larger, silly looking wheel setup he lost 15whp. which is quite a bit of hp lost for just trying to look cool..


no i saw that but if you loo kat the average isnt the bigger wheels have a better average but less hp and tq overall?

[javasti2004]

the avg 1 is bigger than avg 2

[DHGurs]

Run 1 is with light wheels, run 2 is with heavy wheels.

[98Wagoon]

^

[-III]

i need to roll my rears, just so I can fit my snows without rubbing around turns hahahaha

You just need the correct size tires:rofl:
That 55 side wall is for Foresters!!!!

[Antihero]

LOL SILENCE! I KILL YOU!

[sweaty]

RFP1's are WIN!!! even a 17x8" only weight in at like 14.albs or something like that.

it's a nice wheel. just stinks that a 17" wheel looks like a 15" wheel once you bolt it up cause of where the spokes seat.

[-III]

LOL SILENCE! I KILL YOU!

:rofl:

[My25RSL]

further proof that hellaflush is nothing more than a waste of time.

if I want flush, Ill go use a toilet.


:rofl::rofl:

[Joe]

:wub:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_NRSDCBt4i-U/SgNdFu33GZI/AAAAAAAAC1Y/Y47NVmK7B1c/forester%20rota.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2jb776.jpg

Soon i will be this awesome. soon.

[GClark]

Factoid: I have the flat black forester's coilovers on my car now.

On another note I'm planning on 17x9 Grids this spring for the Legacy. My favorite wheels ever.

[Berge56]

Joe that looks awesome!

[Joe]

Joe that looks awesome!

I know!!! You can all keep your 14 hp, id rather look good. :cool:

Probably the same people who o equal length for some spool.

[hiprsha666]

Factoid: I have the flat black forester's coilovers on my car now.

On another note I'm planning on 17x9 Grids this spring for the Legacy. My favorite wheels ever.

I love those rims too.

[DHGurs]

I know!!! You can all keep your 14 hp, id rather look good. :cool:

Probably the same people who o equal length for some spool.

Not me! I like the 25ish hp I gained by going to BBSs and 2 piece rotors. :devil:
Light wheels have a huge effect on suspension movement as well.

[Joe]

Not me! I like the 25ish hp I gained by going to BBSs and 2 piece rotors. :devil:
Light wheels have a huge effect on suspension movement as well.

You and a handful of other people will notice it. bc you track the balls out of your car. I doubt ill notice it on my 8 minute drive to work. :lol:

[DHGurs]

Agreed!

[Joe]

Agreed!

:wub: we should get drunk again.

[DHGurs]

:wub: we should get drunk again.

Agreed!

What he said ^

:bacon:

[Joe]

What he said ^

:bacon:

:lol:

[Berge56]

You and a handful of other people will notice it. bc you track the balls out of your car. I doubt ill notice it on my 8 minute drive to work. :lol:

This! :)
:wub: we should get drunk again.

You can't go wrong with this too.

[Subyspeed]

national hump day

[cman7]

Not me! I like the 25ish hp I gained by going to BBSs and 2 piece rotors. :devil:
Light wheels have a huge effect on suspension movement as well.


Ditto. All that unsprung weight? No thanks.

Hell even if I only go to the track three times a year, i'd much prefer to not ruin my poor car that sees enough abuse already.

[Hooligansti]

What does this thread prove again? Two dynos a month apart don't prove much of anything. I'm not a huge fan of the whole stretch tire/hellaflush/poke thing either but this comparison proves nothing.

How about the Rotas compared to Stockers? Or a same day comparison. Of course lighter wheels will make more power, they'd also be better than stock wheels. Less rotational weight always wins but you could have two dynos with the same exact wheels a month apart and have the same result as the OP posted. Too many factors could change in a month. Just sayin.

Hell of a first post. Sorry.:palm:

[Bu11dogg2]

bump

[yaya]

obvious troll is obvious

[Bu11dogg2]

obvious troll is obvious

it's the king himself

[shamankjm]

so me trying to fit these onto my car would be bad performance-wise?

20x10 40+ offset
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/mustangtuning_2157_217332945
lulz