Timing belt write up?

[flybyrotor]

So the wife's '05 2.5rs needs a timing belt within the next couple thousand miles. I'd really prefer to do this job myself, since I'm not a huge fan of giving someone $500 for a job i can do myself. Does anyone have a maintenance manual bit or a writeup on this deal?

Found one!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1794043

[Bu11dogg2]

bump for shtbxr22

[squeethebee]

Where you located, I'd be willing to lend a hand :hide:

ed

[My Name]

its online somewhere. vary easy job. i have to do the one on my moms 05 forester also. do i see a timing belt change meet at my place in the future?

[squeethebee]

Read this

http://endwrench.com/images/pdfs/TBeltEWWin05.pdf

It's basically the same for DOHC. There is another one(better) I have saved, but you have to ask nicely if you want that one.

ed

[squeethebee]

Nah, you can have it.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1794043

If you listen to everything he says, you can not mess this up. It's quite fun actually, once you figure out how it is all done.

ed

[boxxer joe]

very easy job exspecialy if you are using the oem subaru belt witch i recommend i do them all the time at work and they take me like an hour alittle more if im dicking around. the oem belt has pained lines on it the line up with the marks on the cam and crank gears

[squeethebee]

So do Gates racing belts!

ed

[boxxer joe]

So do Gates racing belts!

ed

true but some times the a pain to get over the tensioner seeing there so tight

[squeethebee]

I had no such troubles, and EVERYTHING was new. I think I put the tensioner on, then installed the lower left idler pulley, THEN pulled pin on tensioner and rotated motor by hand to tighten everything up. Do you do the same?

ed

[boxxer joe]

I had no such troubles, and EVERYTHING was new. I think I put the tensioner on, then installed the lower left idler pulley, THEN pulled pin on tensioner and rotated motor by hand to tighten everything up. Do you do the same?

ed

i usally compress the tensioner and pin it get everything in place and slide the belt on the oem ones go on mint the racing ones i just tug a bit and they go on mint never thought of doing it that way will have to give it a try thanks for the heads up:bull:

[squeethebee]

Just make sure you got something or someone holding the drivers side cam gears with the belt on it so they dont spin, you know?

ed

[flybyrotor]

Ed, I hope to god I have an easier time than you did at first with the death wagon. But If you want to fly out here and help me, I'm down with that

[afbeefcake]

I did the timing belt in the wifes 04 2.5ts in 45 minutes. Theres no way I would pay $500.00 for some one to do that.
I need to do the one in my 02 wrx soon, don't know how much diffenet they are.

I am thinking about going with the blue gates one, anyone know if its worth it?

[Bu11dogg2]

i'm pretty sure most dealers charge 2.5 hours + parts.

I've seen techs do them in 30 minutes

[legacygt]

So do Gates racing belts!

ed


They are expensive and not recommended for stock engines. Per professional consultation.

[squeethebee]

I got mine pretty cheap. I heard they resist stretching better than OE belts, and possibly a little more resistant to oils and the like?

ed

[2.5guy]

Shot you a PM gave you my alldata stuff should be a big help!

[inski]

i'm pretty sure most dealers charge 2.5 hours + parts.

I've seen techs do them in 30 minutes
<----19 minutes once. But no matter where you go everyone basically pays the standard flate rate of 2.5hrs +belt. Its not hard. Pull the fans, pull the belts, pull the crank pulley and you're right there. :cool: Dig in!

[SicRedGt]

The driver side cams (DOHC) are the PITA to line up. The rest is cake.

[shtbxr22]

It's been a while since i've done one, but i'll write up the next one. :) 28 minutes so far without moving super fast.

[inski]

yeah DOHC are a different ball of cheese. More challenging, similar procedure.

[squeethebee]

Is the 05 RS DOHC? I just realized I don't know! :lol: Damn new NON-turbo cars, am I right shtbxr?

ed

[SicRedGt]

All 05' NA cars are SOHC I believe. EJ253-SOHC/ 255 & 257 DOHC.

[squeethebee]

OMG really, that makes it SO much easier. Are you reading this OP???

ed

[shtbxr22]

Is the 05 RS DOHC? I just realized I don't know! :lol: Damn new NON-turbo cars, am I right shtbxr?

ed

All 05' NA cars are SOHC I believe. EJ253-SOHC/ 255 & 257 DOHC.

only NA car with DOHC you'll find should be 2.5 from 97-99.

[shtbxr22]

oops! brain fart! I did a wrx T-belt today.......automatic, so it's a little different. no t-belt guard/guides, if you want to call them that. next manual one, i'll do it, i promise. :) it's just hard to do a nice write-up when trying to make money. I am however doing a SOHC 2004 head gasket (L&R) this sunday with water pump. I could at least do that. :)

[shtbxr22]

oops.

[squeethebee]

:lol:

ed

[Bu11dogg2]

anyone? looking for someone to write one up :)

I only have 13k on my motor :hide:

[shtbxr22]

I'm surprised by how rare turbo timing belts get done. still waiting.....

[squeethebee]

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1794043

Take it down if you want, but Jesus it's a good article.

ed

[Bu11dogg2]

Thanks Eduardo!

[shtbxr22]

ok, so we should have an ok write-up soon. I did one on a 2004 wrx which should cover quite a few models. i'll get it up as soon as possible. i have 53 pics to go along with instructions, so bear with me.

[squeethebee]

Did you do it in the car, and if so did you use T handle allens, or large L allens to turn the cam gears? It was just so easy with the T's, but not sure if there is enough room in the bay to do it that way...

ed

[shtbxr22]

I did it in the car, and I used 10mm allen sockets. one 3/8 and one 1/2 inch drive. i would def. not use t-handle allens for this. i'd be afraid of the drivers side ones twisting my wrist off. ;) i use a different method than "meaty"

[SicRedGt]

Yes, the driver side cams can drive you crazy setting them up. FWIW Bulldog, I've done dozens of 255/257 timing belts and I take them off at 105,000.....they look great, no cracking.

[shtbxr22]

^^^ yep.

[boxer3maine]

I'm surprised by how rare turbo timing belts get done. still waiting.....

:unamused:

damn those gentle sprites into big numbers.

smack a valve around to n/a timing today!
:lol:

[squeethebee]

I did it in the car, and I used 10mm allen sockets. one 3/8 and one 1/2 inch drive. i would def. not use t-handle allens for this. i'd be afraid of the drivers side ones twisting my wrist off. ;) i use a different method than "meaty"

AH! I don't have allen sockets, forgot about those. Trust me though, with a big ass T handle, it ain't going nowheres.

ed

[shtbxr22]

:unamused:

damn those gentle sprites into big numbers.

smack a valve around to n/a timing today!
:lol:


Do you ever make sense?

[shtbxr22]

all set. hope someone can get some use out of it.

[Keeper]

Is there a simpler way to inspect the belt than ripping everything open? I have a 2004 with low miles but I'm concerned about any age factor.

[Berge56]

You can take the driver side timing belt cover off pretty easily.

[shtbxr22]

I think by time its 7 or 8 years.

[Seraphinwolf]

We should probably ask his definition of "low miles". But the short is if you suspect anything timing wise it's safe bet to just do the timing belt. No one likes replacing valves in addition to possible pistons or a head casing...

[Berge56]

Machine shops love replacing valves!

[shtbxr22]

I love replacing timing belts. :)

[Berge56]

And lately pistons.

[Keeper]

We should probably ask his definition of "low miles". But the short is if you suspect anything timing wise it's safe bet to just do the timing belt. No one likes replacing valves in addition to possible pistons or a head casing...

Ug, you made me get off the couch, go outside, and check the mileage . . .

57,234

[shtbxr22]

And lately pistons.

yeah, I like doing those too. 5 wiseco jobs to date with zero issue. :D sixth and seventh one within a few weeks.... :lol:

[hiprsha666]

:ay:

[Seraphinwolf]

Ug, you made me get off the couch, go outside, and check the mileage . . .

57,234

60k is coming up. Just do it now.

[arcadia25]

yeah, I like doing those too. 5 wiseco jobs to date with zero issue. :D sixth and seventh one within a few weeks.... :lol:

Hello.....:lol:

[SicRedGt]

I love replacing timing belts. :)


What are you using for a piston to wall clearance? 2618 Alloy?

[Keeper]

60k is coming up. Just do it now.

I found a maintenance schedule this morning that says the service interval is 105k or 8.75 years.

Are you suggesting it should be done at 60k anyway?

In any case, it's an '04 so I guess it's due.

[Berge56]

I found a maintenance schedule this morning that says the service interval is 105k or 8.75 years.

Are you suggesting it should be done at 60k anyway?

In any case, it's an '04 so I guess it's due.

I just did a timing belt on an 02, 2 weeks ago. Pull the timing cover and take a look inside, if the belt looks suspect you could get a gates timing belt kit from one of our many vendors for a great price and install it. If you don't feel comfortable with installing it there are a few members on here that would be more then willing to help you out or a couple of Vendors that could assist as well. Looking at your location I would whoot Motive or AJW a pm and ask them for a quote if needed.

[-boz]

I did the timing belt in the wifes 04 2.5ts in 45 minutes. Theres no way I would pay $500.00 for some one to do that.
I need to do the one in my 02 wrx soon, don't know how much diffenet they are.

I am thinking about going with the blue gates one, anyone know if its worth it?

Unless you are running insane horsepower (500+) The OEM one will be fine and if you say "upgraded is better" then get a Power Enterprises timing belt instead since it is a Kevlar impregnated belt.

The $500 probably includes timing belt parts and hopefully a water pump/belt, it's not too bad of a deal if the parts are included as long as they are OEM if it's beyond your mechanical abilities.

[-boz]

I found a maintenance schedule this morning that says the service interval is 105k or 8.75 years.

Are you suggesting it should be done at 60k anyway?

In any case, it's an '04 so I guess it's due.

Service intervals are written using best case scenario, since many of us don't drive or operate the vehicle in the best case scenario, earlier is better. If you are doing the timing belt, it's also a very good idea to do a water pump, thermostat and change your diff,rear end, and trans fluids.

My timing belt in the RS was done around 105k and since he never changed the water pump I'm getting ready to do another timing belt along with the water pump, fluids and flush the brake lines/clutch. Since I'm in there I'm also going to drop the inspection plate and check the wear on whatever 2 fast 2 furious clutch he put in.

I always suggest going with the OEM parts as they are built to more exacting standards than non OEM, unless of course you went with a high end non OEM like Power Enterprise or HKS.

Maybe I'll get mine done next weekend if it doesn't drop to 0 degrees again.